Today's postings
- [Baren 40498] print editions (Plannedscapes # aol.com)
- [Baren 40499] Editioning (ArtfulCarol # aol.com)
- [Baren 40500] Re: when sharp isn't sharp enough (Barbara Mason)
- [Baren 40501] editioning (Marilynn Smith)
- [Baren 40502] Ellen ("Jeanne Norman Chase")
- [Baren 40503] Re: print editions (Viza Arlington)
- [Baren 40504] Re: print editions (Diane Cutter)
- [Baren 40505] Editions (Charlie overshoe)
Message 1
From: Plannedscapes # aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:06:33 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40498] print editions
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Wiki does have it correct that the limited edition is where you promise to
make no more than a certain number. However, I do not think it is expected
that they were made all at the same time like they say. Regarding whether
it is a lie to limit your edition to 100 but only print 50, I would say
that is not a lie but more like a 'bargain'. You are selling them something
that MIGHT be rarer than you say. You say there may be as many as 100 and
price accordingly, but only make 10 or 50, it is more scarce and
theoretically more valuable. You probably would have priced it higher if you knew
there were only going to be 50 and certainly if you knew there were only
going to be 10. The lie would come in if you said 100 and actually printed
200. There you promised a certain scarcity and produced twice as much
abundance, lowering the value.
I DO print some color variants. The 'serious' print usually goes on white
or ivory but I will make some 'decorator prints' on colored paper and
label them clearly as to what they are. Color Var. II 3/10 so that the
customer knows this is NOT part of the original edition. I do NOT think that
this lowers the scarcity of the original limited edition and do not feel like
it should bother customers of the original edition. It limits the
usefulness of the print to have the colored paper yet makes it more sellable to
those decorating with the stuff. I used to number the color variants as part
of the limited edition, including them in the numbering, so that the first
20 might be the neutral paper, the next 10 on tan, the next 10 on rust, and
later, the next 20 on neutral again, but you folks here told me those
should be color variants.
It took me a lot of time to make that block, and I get ideas I want to try
and I see nothing wrong with playing around outside of the regular edition
as long as the playing is clearly marked as a variant.
( I also harbor no illusions that my work will actually ever increase in
value. I never talk to my customers about investment or art appreciating.
They are buying it for their own enjoyment, and if someone will enjoy the
burr oak tree on red paper in their red accented black and white mission
style home, that is what they are going to get, marked Col. Var.)
Thanks,
Karma
make no more than a certain number. However, I do not think it is expected
that they were made all at the same time like they say. Regarding whether
it is a lie to limit your edition to 100 but only print 50, I would say
that is not a lie but more like a 'bargain'. You are selling them something
that MIGHT be rarer than you say. You say there may be as many as 100 and
price accordingly, but only make 10 or 50, it is more scarce and
theoretically more valuable. You probably would have priced it higher if you knew
there were only going to be 50 and certainly if you knew there were only
going to be 10. The lie would come in if you said 100 and actually printed
200. There you promised a certain scarcity and produced twice as much
abundance, lowering the value.
I DO print some color variants. The 'serious' print usually goes on white
or ivory but I will make some 'decorator prints' on colored paper and
label them clearly as to what they are. Color Var. II 3/10 so that the
customer knows this is NOT part of the original edition. I do NOT think that
this lowers the scarcity of the original limited edition and do not feel like
it should bother customers of the original edition. It limits the
usefulness of the print to have the colored paper yet makes it more sellable to
those decorating with the stuff. I used to number the color variants as part
of the limited edition, including them in the numbering, so that the first
20 might be the neutral paper, the next 10 on tan, the next 10 on rust, and
later, the next 20 on neutral again, but you folks here told me those
should be color variants.
It took me a lot of time to make that block, and I get ideas I want to try
and I see nothing wrong with playing around outside of the regular edition
as long as the playing is clearly marked as a variant.
( I also harbor no illusions that my work will actually ever increase in
value. I never talk to my customers about investment or art appreciating.
They are buying it for their own enjoyment, and if someone will enjoy the
burr oak tree on red paper in their red accented black and white mission
style home, that is what they are going to get, marked Col. Var.)
Thanks,
Karma
Message 2
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:12:00 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40499] Editioning
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Karma, you have said exactly what I wanted to express and would have said
if I had the time and could say it as well as you have!!!
Thank you!!!
My "people" are interested in how the piece looks. I tell them about the
work---almost everything I do has a story which is informative and interests
the collector--- and editioning information.
I have had it said by a Victoria and Albert Museum curator, "You don't have
to tell us how you do it. We want it" That was certainly a boost to me
in two ways.
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY
if I had the time and could say it as well as you have!!!
Thank you!!!
My "people" are interested in how the piece looks. I tell them about the
work---almost everything I do has a story which is informative and interests
the collector--- and editioning information.
I have had it said by a Victoria and Albert Museum curator, "You don't have
to tell us how you do it. We want it" That was certainly a boost to me
in two ways.
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY
Message 3
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:57:25 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40500] Re: when sharp isn't sharp enough
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Andrew,
Hold your elbow into your side so you can keep your arm steady, hold the tool at the original angle and turn it from left to right as you sharpen, pulling the tool back, not pushing it forward. Have lots of water on the stone and rouge on the honing leather
Some people carve out a slot in wood, then add the rouge and pull the tool backwards toward themselves in the slot...this does work but you need a slot that fits each tool
My best
Barbara
Hold your elbow into your side so you can keep your arm steady, hold the tool at the original angle and turn it from left to right as you sharpen, pulling the tool back, not pushing it forward. Have lots of water on the stone and rouge on the honing leather
Some people carve out a slot in wood, then add the rouge and pull the tool backwards toward themselves in the slot...this does work but you need a slot that fits each tool
My best
Barbara
Message 4
From: Marilynn Smith
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:25:37 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40501] editioning
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Jennifer,
That is an interesting point. Often we don't go back until the demand
is there and some times that does not arrive. I usually don't do open
editions. I did one years back for a book cover, it a lino block
print. Iran only a few and to this day only a few have ever been
run. Collectors would view them as less valuable thinking as an open
edition there would be a lot of them around. In this case I have done
maybe five and probably will never do more. So what is more valuable,
the ones in an open edition or the ones ina numbered edition. it
would seem to me value should depend on quality.
Marilynn
That is an interesting point. Often we don't go back until the demand
is there and some times that does not arrive. I usually don't do open
editions. I did one years back for a book cover, it a lino block
print. Iran only a few and to this day only a few have ever been
run. Collectors would view them as less valuable thinking as an open
edition there would be a lot of them around. In this case I have done
maybe five and probably will never do more. So what is more valuable,
the ones in an open edition or the ones ina numbered edition. it
would seem to me value should depend on quality.
Marilynn
Message 5
From: "Jeanne Norman Chase"
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:27:52 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40502] Ellen
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As they say "a picture is worth a thousand words"
Great video.
Was thinking of making a book but the video wore me out. Such a lot of work. My admiration for book artists just went up a few notches.
Jeanne N
Great video.
Was thinking of making a book but the video wore me out. Such a lot of work. My admiration for book artists just went up a few notches.
Jeanne N
Message 6
From: Viza Arlington
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:47:21 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40503] Re: print editions
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I also set an edition number usually 50 to 100 then print up to that number
in smaller batches. i include color and or paper variations in that number
though. i keep track of each print in my "edition" books.
viza
in smaller batches. i include color and or paper variations in that number
though. i keep track of each print in my "edition" books.
viza
Message 7
From: Diane Cutter
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:01:31 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40504] Re: print editions
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I edition in a similar way as Viza and others. On rare occasions I will keep the edition very limited if I feel the appeal is unlikely, as in some exchanges. And, because I sell regularly, some of my prints are open editions because they have more of a 'tourist' appeal and buyers are more interested in rainforest imagery than print scarcity. In these cases of open editions I am very clear with my number (OE 1, OE 2, etc.) on the print and explain it in the accompanying certificate. I've never had anyone not buy if interested in the print because it is all very well explained and above board.
I have to print in small batches because of humidity and mold issues here in the Caribbean in an non-air conditioned studio and storage. Therefore I must keep excellent records of everything so there is no difference when I 'print on demand' as I'd rather sell a good product than a foxed piece that has sat around too long.
Diane
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Message 8
From: Charlie overshoe
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:19:02 GMT
Subject: [Baren 40505] Editions
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My criteria for edition size, other than for exchanges, is how much I like the print.... but my minimum is usually 40 plus APs. Of course everyone in my family expects prints for Xmas, birthdays, and anniversaries. Then there are the smaller prints that I do ... I leave those uneditioned.
Barbara P.