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Message 1
From: eli griggs
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:51:25 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37181] Re: question re hanga exchange
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Thank you David, for laying out the differences of
each form and the correct terminology; it's always
desirable to have the correct expressions when dealing
with a subject as involved as Japanese woodcut.

Knowing the right words certainly makes it easier to
communicate what we're doing when we have these
conversations and as far as any confusion, I've never
noticed a lack of interest among those that come here
when it comes to learning something new (or old) in
printmaking;-)

Cheers


>'Dento teki hanga' : 'traditional style
> printmaking'.

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Message 2
From: Linda Beeman
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:27:03 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37182] exchange #39 "rules"
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I for one will be sticking to the "rules" laid out in Exchange #39. As Preston said, it's what I expected when
I signed up for it. I am looking forward to seeing the way others do moku hanga the most. To have 30 prints by
30 different people doing the same technique is very exciting to me!

Linda

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Message 3
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:32:31 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37183] Re: question re hanga exchange
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Well, I confess at first I was a bit irritated by all the questions, but
then all the answers came to the rescue! So let's continue the discussion,
this is now kind of a cool "side effect" of the technique challenge
exchange. We're actually doing exactly what I intended with these
challenges, first the challenge, then the discussion on what the heck is it
exactly that we're 'posed to do. This begins with a definition, and we are
nicely arriving at such, a bit of history, some references...

Let me refer everyone to:
Digest Volume: 45 / Number: 4564
where all the discussion has taken place so far.
I like Tom's answer about the best, and Dave Bull's clarification of terms.

A quick reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodblock_printing_in_Japan
and of course there are the books to download with step-by-step instructions
and a mind-boggling amount of information in the Encyclopedia:
http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedia/outline.html

Maria

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       Maria Arango
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Message 4
From: cucamongie # aol.com
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:17:08 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37184] more on tools
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hi folks.? just to add my 2 cents into the tool discussion, the first set of tools I got was a set
of "power grip" tools. Pearl paint used to have them, but Woodcraft has them

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=1349

I added to this a big clearing tool (soai nomi) and large maru nomi, and this was good for starters. Of course, when I decided I wanted to do
a lot more, I got into the two-part tools etc which can't be beat, but this was good as a starting set. They also sell them singly.

Anyone else try these?

Sarah

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:55:20 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37185] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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Message 6
From: Rosposfe # aol.com
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:11:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37186] What is it I'm doing again?
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So what's it called when all the detail I carved didn't print neatly so when
I recarved it the small lines all fell off.
So what's it called when my print doesn't look anything like I envisioned it
or when half of the sheet of expensive washi just stuck to the board when I
glued it on with rice paste and baren pressure when I thought I was printing.
What is it called when no two prints of an edition of 30 remotely resemble
each other much less anything I thought I was responsible for when I started.
What's it called when there's more ink on the kento and margins than in the
image where it belongs?

I hope it has a nice name in Japanese.

sorry about the 2nd post....I've been carving all day.
andrew the novice.

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Message 7
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:17:44 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37187] Re: What is it I'm doing again?
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It is called the Numbers Game....
The more you do the less problems you will have...
Don’t give up....

Graham

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Message 8
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:50:21 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37188] RE: What is it I'm doing again?
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Learning
Learning
Learning
Learning...and learning

You should hear me play the guitar, but think of how many brain cells we're
making!
Oh, except for the " my print doesn't look anything like I envisioned it",
that's called printmaking.

Maria

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       Maria Arango
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>So what's it called when all the detail I carved didn't print neatly so when
>I recarved it the small lines all fell off.
>So what's it called when or when half of the sheet of expensive washi just
>stuck to the board when I glued it on with rice paste and baren pressure
>when I thought I was printing.
>What is it called when no two prints of an edition of 30 remotely resemble
>each other much less anything I thought I was responsible for when I
>started.
>What's it called when there's more ink on the kento and margins than in the
>image where it belongs?
>
>I hope it has a nice name in Japanese.
>
>sorry about the 2nd post....I've been carving all day.
>andrew the novice.

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Message 9
From: Dave Bull
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:58:38 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37189] Re: What is it I'm doing again?
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> So what's it called when ...

It's a bit difficult to tell from the tone of your post - because I
guess you're having quite some frustrations at the moment - but I hope
you realize that you're having fun!

There _is_ actually something that can be strongly recommended for a
person in your present situation - try and get somewhere where you can
actually _see_ somebody making some prints. I have no idea where you
live, so can't make any specific recommendations, but there are quite a
lot of people teaching this, or giving workshops, or demonstrations,
etc. etc., (and many of them are of course right here on [Baren]).

Really, even a couple of hours spent watching somebody print a few
blocks would be worth _years_ of personal struggle and experimentation.
Unless you are really in an isolated place, it shouldn't be too
difficult to arrange some kind of visit to a working printmaker, or
attendance at a class of some kind.

It would make a huge difference ...

Dave

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Message 10
From: Annie Bissett
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:26:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37190] Re: Shoe Brush
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Amanda asked about using a shoe brush instead of a maru bake. I've
used shoe brushes and they can work, but there are a few issues. As
Graham said, shoe brushes don't have as many bristles, so you tend to
see more brush marks in your final print. Shoe brushes also shed for
a while, so you have to get past that stage before you can really
print with them. They also don't last very long and tend to form
little knots of bristles after prolonged use. That said, if you just
want to try moku hanga without making a big investment in tools a
shoe brush can get you through.

best,
Annie

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