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Message 1
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:18:46 -0800
Subject: [Baren 26748] Re: confused...
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Message 2
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:31:39 -0800
Subject: [Baren 26749] Re: Empty frames
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Michelle,
It is all a statement, tres intellectual, and following in the "art
historical" tradition. It is a left over from the revolt of the 20th
century referring to the "price & selling" of art and trying to make
art that must, by nature, remain outside of the marketplace: hence
performance, installation, empty frames, etc. I find it all very
fascinating, even though I prefer to have something a little more
pleasing to the eye on my own walls, but I love the philosophical
discussions, and the ways the truly creative come up with for
expressing these thoughts. I suppose the ultimate expression is to
leave a blank wall - no frame, no image, no nothing. I've seen that
done, but I always thought the people were either too stupid, too
cheap, or too insecure to purchase artwork. LOL

Cheers,
Sharri

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Message 3
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:51:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 26750] Statements and brushes
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Sharri,
This also seems to be like empty work...I mean work that only makes a statement if you know the context..like a red dot in a huge blue canvas. I am sure there is a message here, but I have to admit it just escapes me.

Everyone,
And back to woodblock....I have a couple of brushes that seem to be losing hairs...I am careful to cut them, not pull them, but it seems more and more are leaking out. Anyone else having this problem??? Is the brush getting two dry? too old? too what???????
I wondered if I was pushing too hard trying to sharpen it on the fake snakeskin thing I got from McClains...it is like a tiny holed cheese grater nailed to a board and seems to work, but it does have more tooth than an actual fish skin. I can't believe this could be the problem...maybe I need to just replace the brushes. Anyone know how long they usually last? I expected them to last for years.
Best to all,
Barbara

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Message 4
From: Solarplate # aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:13:06 EST
Subject: [Baren 26751] Fwd: Florence Printmaking
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Dear Members of the Baren:
I'm just making a little announcement concerning my summer program in
Florence from August 8-26th. Besides Solarplate, there will be opportunities for
monoprinting in the beautiful air conditioned studio of Santa Reparata as well as
a visit to the Venice Biennalle. Besides 4 etching presses, qualified people
interested in woodcut can use one of the proof presses available.

Along with my class, there are other options available including Printmaking
with Ron Pokrasso; Photography with David Hoptman; and two Painting sections,
one with Philippa Blair, the other with Peter Solow.

If you have an interest in any of the above and would like more information,
please let me know and I'll be happy to forward you details.

The early bird tuition cost of $1,950 has been extended till the end of the
month.

Happy New Year!

Dan Welden

P.S. if Florence is too far off and you would like to join us for the week of
April 22-May 1 on the fabulous island of Mykonos, Greece, that should prove
to be another exciting journey!

If interested, you may wish to contact me directly at solarplate@aol.com or
by telephone 631/725-3990

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Message 5
From: "Matt Laine"
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 26752] Re: Statements and brushes
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What would be great to learn is how one can find the (expletives) willing and rich enough to buy the stuff
at astronomical prices -- like beaucoup millions for a shark floating in formaldehyde.

Barbara Mason wrote:
>This also seems to be like empty work...I mean work that only makes a statement if you know the
>context..like a red dot in a huge blue canvas. I am sure there is a message here, but I have
>to admit it just escapes me.

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Message 6
From: Margaret Szvetecz
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Baren 26753] Birdsall paintings
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I would say Birdsall's use of imagery from Japanese prints falls under the art concept of appropriation. On Birdall's part there doesn't seem to be any attempt made to deceive the viewer; his combination of traditional Japanese print landscape imagery with contemporary west coast landscape elements appears to have a conceptual basis. By deliberately choosing imagery from very well known Japanese prints Birdsall shows us that he wants us to know what he is doing.

That being said I do find most of the Birdsall works in this series kind of boring. I did like the one with the skyscrapers; I found the combo of the appropriated Japanese landscape and the overtly contemporary cityscape whimsical.

I like a lot of contemporary work and I also like conceptual art. I just wish Birdsall would do something more with his concepts.

Margaret Szvetecz
margarszv@earthlink.net

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Message 7
From: keri marion
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:23:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 26754] Re: Statements and brushes
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i think we should leave that to collectors, and focus
our attentions on making our own work... :)

k

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Message 8
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:37:43 EST
Subject: [Baren 26755] ART, the play.
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There was a Bway play about a large framed white canvas. The couple paid a
tremedous pirce for it and invited their friends over to see their new
acquisition. That started a huge argument about this piece of "art " that was
really nothing. The play was called "ART" and it was a hit.

Someone may remember the surprising ending!

Carol Lyons

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Message 9
From: FurryPressII # aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:23:14 EST
Subject: [Baren 26756] Re: ART, the play.
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I have a one man show of prints currently up at the Unicorn Cafe in
Evanston, Ill. It will be running till the end of the month. The show consists
of wood cuts, wood engravings and some copper engravings as well as two carved
blocks. Two of the frames have carved text included so they play a
different role from standard gallery frames.

As soon as I can get photo's I will try to include them for baren people to
see.

John Center

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Message 10
From: brad robinson
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:35:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 26757] hello!
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just wanted to introduce myself to you all. i just recently joined baren and have been following along the forum everyday. i live in the san francisco bay area and i've been printing for two years now and am anxious to join a larger network of printers. i have also just signed up for the new exchange and am starting to toss around ideas in my head for a new carving. anyways, just wanted to say hello to you all and hope that 2005 is a good year for you all. brad

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Message 11
From: FurryPressII # aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:18:35 EST
Subject: [Baren 26758] Re: hello!
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welcome brad

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