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Message 1
From: "MPereira"
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:46:56 -0300
Subject: [Baren 25226] arte correo - mail art
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Juan Guerrero and all :



ARTE CORREO
TEMA : NO MÀS VIOLENCIA CONTRA LAS MUJERES

TÉCNICA LIBRE

TAMAÑO: POSTAL 10 X 15 CM

FECHA LÍMITE: 27 DE AGOSTO DE 2004

Sin devolución. Sin selección. Sin comercialización.

Detrás de la obra consignar todos los datos del autor

Nombre, domicio postal, y una dirección de e-mail; ya que el catálogo se
enviará por este medio porque no cuenta con apoyo económico.

Enviar a

ARTE CORREO

"NO MÁS VIOLENCIA CONTRA LAS MUJERES"

GENERAL PAZ 949 DPTO 20

C.P.4000 - SAN MIGUEL DE TUCUMÁN

TUCUMÁN - ARGENTINA

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Message 2
From: Salsbury
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:49:11 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25227] Permanent marker bleeding.
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I used a permanent marker to out line my image on my wood block. As I
print, it is printing along with the ink. Anyone know why?

I do plan to do an outline of the part that is printing so I am hoping it
won't be a problem. This is for exchange 20 so if there is going to be a
long lasting or un coverable problem I need to know.

It is light, and I do plan to use multiple layers of ink and think I can
cover it, but I am not sure. This is the first time I have used the marker
to mark the lines to be cut.

Sue Salsbury

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Message 3
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:02:35 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25228] Re: Permanent marker bleeding.
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Sue, i'm not experienced with this particular problem, but could you
lightly run fine sandpaper over your block to remove the marker?
although, since its coming off on your prints, could you just lightly
brush the block with a soft brush under running water to remove the
marker? i'm sure one of the more knowledgeable bareners would know for
sure. just my 2cents worth :) bette.

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Message 4
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:16:32 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25229] RE: Permanent marker bleeding.
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Sue,
Use paint thinner to remove the excess marker. You will retain the lines
but they will no longer bleed.

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Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25230] Re: Permanent marker bleeding.
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Sue,
Alcohol will remove magic marker from a lot of stuff also. I have used sharpie permanent markers and never had this problem...maybe you need to wait a day before printing...I think I usually take a few days to carve so this has not bothered me. What kind of marker was it? I am amazed it offset with water or ink.
Best to all,
Barbara

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Message 6
From: Myron Turner
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:32:10 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25231] Re: art and politics
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I guess the point here is that this is an internationally recognized
artists' collective--which if course doesn't mean that they might not be
terrorists. But according to news reports, the FBI submitted everything
they found to a New York State testing agency and found that there was
nothing harmful in what they had collected from Kurtz's house. Now, it may
be that there are things we don't know about. But it also may be the same
kind of FBI stubbornness (or worse) that caused grief for a young lawyer in
Washington State, whose fingerprints the FBI identified as a match with the
fingerprints on a plastic bag associated with the Madrid terrorists. The
FBI persisted in defending their results over the objections of the Spanish
authorities who said there was no match and eventually made a match with
another individual.

Now, of course, as long as the art one creates is not controversial, one
may not care about freedom of expression for others, and the right to
criticize governments. But I would hope that American artists have the
right to be controversial without having their lives ruined.


Myron Turner

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Message 7
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:49:11 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25232] RE: Behind with postings
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Harry your work is beautiful. I admire your versatility. You seem to vary
methods and papers, which i enjoyed a lot.
Yes I resolved my computer problem. It had to do with my virus program
refusing to update. I am now fully virus protected, safe to share with you.
Marilynn

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Message 8
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:21:26 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25233] Re: art and politics
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John and Carol, this is the United States, we are supposed to be a free
country.
Marilynn

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Message 9
From: FurryPressII # aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:41:00 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25234] Re: art and politics
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selling fake bombs and a political statement has more to do with stupidity
than freedom
john center

p.s. that lawyer had direct conections to a group that admitted to being
terrorists. he was not so innocent.

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Message 10
From: Janet Hollander
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:16:01 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25235] Re: art and politics
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John Center wrote:
>selling fake bombs and a political statement has more to do with stupidity
>than freedom
>
>p.s. that lawyer had direct conections to a group that admitted to being
>terrorists. he was not so innocent.


John, you know that freedom has to include the freedom to be stupid. It's
what happened that is the issue, not what ideas the artists held, or who the
lawyer defended. The Berkshire Eagle gives a pretty good summary of what
happened
(http://www.berkshireeagle.com/Stories/0,1413,101%257E7514%257E2201256,00.ht
ml).
In this particular case, there are plenty of people who do not think well of
the CAE. Nonetheless, starting from this case and probably some others, the
ACLU and the Natl Coalition Against Censorship are working on a larger
statement about the Patriot Act. This is an important story for artists and
I'm grateful to Charles Morgan for posting Beverley Schlee's commentary.
It's the first I'd heard the story. If you Google Critical Art Ensemble, you
can get straight to constant updates.

In peace,
Janet

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Message 11
From: Myron Turner
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25236] Re: art and politics
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I see, so that if I have a "direct connection" to my brother-in-law who
robbed a bank, I should also go to jail. My understanding, however, is
that it was not in fact "direct" but indirect, through having placed an ad
for his law practice in a Muslim American publication run by someone who
did have a direct connection. Otherwise, in his capacity as a lawyer
" he volunteered to represent Muslim terrorism suspect Jeffrey Battle in a
child custody case." From Tyler (Texas) Morning Telegraph, May 8 2004.

Myron Turner

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Message 12
From: MccarthyDb # aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:57:45 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25237] removal
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to whomever is in charge of baren mailing list
(wanda, is it you??) please remove me from the list- i really really resent
getting emails such as the ones i've gotten in the last couple of days- soapbox
philosophy does not interest me at all!!! thanks-
bobette

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Message 13
From: "Ian Elcoate"
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:38:32 +1000
Subject: [Baren 25238] japanese woodblock tools
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Hi to all, My name is Christine Elcoate from the Sunshine Coast in Queensland Australia, I have been lurking and soaking up information for months now and enjoying the site immensely. I am now in the throws of getting myself going with Japanese Woodblock and would like to know if there are maybe one or two tools a beginner could start out with ...perhaps some suggestions on favourite tools would be helpful. I have got myself a copy of Rebecca Salters book and would like to take the next step. creatively yours Chris Elcoate

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Message 14
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:54:01 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25239] RE: removal
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I have noticed in the last group of emails that this list is diverting from
our intent, woodblock printing.
We are now loosing a memeber because it is off topic. We need to keep our
politics elseswhere, thank you. And I know I responded, my apologies.
Marilynn

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Message 15
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25240] RE: removal
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Archivist's Note: This message deleted as it was a repeat of above message

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Message 16
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25241] RE: japanese woodblock tools
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For the beginner I highly recommend a set of power grip tools. They are
good tools and will sharpen well. They are as close to a good set of
Japanese tools as you can get without paying the price. I am still using
mine with joy and they work well. I got mine at woodcrafters. And if you
can get a slick stick for sharpening them.
Marilynn

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Message 17
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25242] Re: removal
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bobette.....i agree with you, but i hope you do not leave the list. you
are a valuable asset and member and it just wouldn't be the same without
you. i mean it :)

bette.

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Message 18
From: Julio.Rodriguez # walgreens.com
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:51:18 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25243] Re: japanese woodblock tools
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Hi Chris and welcome to the forum.......I been 'getting bye' now for a few
years now and 30+ prints with just these very basic tools for the
japanese technique.....refer to Salter's book pages 20, 21 and 34.

a hangi-to knive for cutting lines on the keyblock
a small (2.5mm) aisuki knive (bull-nosed) for delicate clearing of waste
a mid-sized (6 mm) aisuki for larger clearing and/or some type of curved
gouge for heavy clearing
a regular carpenter's chisel (1/2 - 3/4") for cutting my kento register
lines straight
a wooden mallet or small sized rubber tipped hammer
a set of sharpening water stones ( rough & fine)
a mid-level baren ($30-100)
assorted small brushes for applying pigment & paste to the block
assorted maru-bake brushes (shoe brush like) for mixing pigment and paste
on block

as always with any craft...it is best to buy the best tools you can
afford, they will last a long time and serve you well....but for starters
you can find
inexpensive alternatives that do a decent job...

enjoy the list..............Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)

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Message 19
From: "Matt Laine"
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:17:46 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25244] Re: art and politics
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So would I !

>If i were a para-medic and I saw what you say they saw I would call the FBI.

>Sorry but in this day and age it is not too smart to do such things.

>john center

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