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Message 1
From: Myron Turner
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:16:06 -0600
Subject: [Baren 24574] Re: other question...
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It helps in storing them to cover them with a coating of oil or vaseline.


> ref: "3. and has any one ever had a gel roller turn to goo from old age? "
>
>some years ago I had one from graphic, gel or comp gel...something
>wonderful and very expensive...I didn't use it for some years and found it
>had turned to a puddle on the shelf, dripping all over everything,
>impossible to remove except by laborious scrapping. When I called and
>complained bitterly I was told 'oh they do that eventually.'
>
>Neither event did anything for me whatsoever and weren't repeated.
>
>OTT it was a great roller.

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Message 2
From: ArtfulCarol # aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:25:14 EST
Subject: [Baren 24575] Re: A first posting
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Harry French wrote:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/h.french1/ETHICSONE.htm
>Harry, I think what you are doing is perfecltly OK . You can call it a
>Variant and it is ethical.

("They say you can't do it, but sometimes it doesn't always work" Casey
Stengel)

Harry, looking forward to your print for Lefties Can Carve! June 1.

Carol L.
Irvington, NY

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Message 3
From: Shireen Holman
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24576] Re: Photoshop and other questions
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>3. and has any one ever had a gel roller turn to goo
>from old age?
>thanks Mary

Yes, maybe not from old age, but from lots of use in lots of weather
conditions. I guess that happens. When my roller was new it worked
absolutely beautifully, but now it's useless.
Shireen

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Message 4
From: Shireen Holman
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:32:03 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24577] Re: A first posting
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>For my first posting I would appreciate any positive comments on a new
>printmaking problem of mine. I have just sawn up a used woodblock, saved
>the best bit and re-jigged it as part of another woodblock and printed it
>as another edition.
>Harry

I don't see any problem calling it a new print. It is a new print even
though part of it was used before. People recycle imagery all the time.
Shireen

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Message 5
From: James G Mundie
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24578] Re: ethical blocks
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Harry French wrote:

> ...I have just sawn up a used woodblock, saved the best bit and
re-jigged it as part of
> another woodblock and printed it as another edition.
>
> Is this ethical?

Certainly! In this case, you haven't simply reprinted the same block to
extend a closed edition - you have radically altered the block and added
new elements. In this case, I would say that the change is so extreme
that I wouldn't even consider the new configuration to be a new "state"
of the old block, but rather a whole new matrix, and therefore a spanking
new edition.

You could have lots of fun cutting apart old blocks and reassembling them
to make entirely new compositions. They're your blocks, so make 'em work
for you. Recycling at it's finest!


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James Mundie
Philadelphia PA, U.S.A.
Prodigies: Anomalous Humans by James G. Mundie
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Message 6
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:59:57 -0600
Subject: [Baren 24579] Re: A first posting
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Harry French wrote:
>I have just sawn up a used woodblock, saved the best bit and re-jigged it
>as part of another woodblock and printed it as another edition. Is this
>ethical?
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/h.french1/ETHICSONE.htm

Ethical? Why not? Keep going with this, I vote! You'll have to develop
an entire suite of images built from the same type-setting image blocks --
the plowed field bare; the plowed field sprouting; the plowed field
harvesting; the house, the town, in winter, in summer, the day sky, the
night sky; the stormy sky; the birds; the rain -- mix and match the cut-out
blocks to print an entire series of mini-seasons/weathers/moods -- Intriguing!

-- Mike


Mike Lyon
http://mlyon.com

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Message 7
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:35:58 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24580] Re: ethical blocks
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Harry, I think this is a clever way to recycle parts of a block and not have
to carve out the foreground again. it is a new edition. The imagery is not
altered it is new. congragulations on two beautiful prints!
Marilynn

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Message 8
From: "Bill H. Ritchie, Jr."
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:06:17 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24581] Subject: Rollers to goo
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Mary, regarding rollers that turn to goo, I think there are two kinds of
"gel" rollers out there - the true, old fashioned gelatin rollers made from
(I think) animal protein. I believe their characteristic color is deep dark
red.

Then modern science gave us urethane rollers (or polyuerathane, I don't know
the diff), and they are a beautiful amber color or sometimes green. These
are unstable. I had beautiful rollers from England, with brass frames,
hardwood handles and glass smooth, transparent amber rollers. They melted.
The chemistry is tricky, I guess.

This is what I think. What to do? I think synthetic rubber might be better.
The people at Graphic Chem surely know, or that company in London - I can't
recall their name.

- Bill

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Message 9
From: Barebonesart # comcast.net
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:34:21 +0000
Subject: [Baren 24582] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V26 #2584 (Mar 15, 2004)
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Harry,
I don't see a problem - it looks like a new edition to me. The subject is really the background, not the field. Unless of course, this is Plowed Field # 2. I wonder how much of a problem it would have been to carve a new field, though, as opposed to your solution? It would have been interesting to see those furrows at a different angle, maybe. Or stubble in the field, or a crop - But, you can do that next time, and have a whole new edition again. "Variation on a Plowed Field". LOL

Happy Printing,
Sharri

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