Baren Digest               Saturday, 28 June 2003       Volume 23 : Number 2279


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From: "Ramsey Household" <cjramsey#mind.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:13:30 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21978] Re: Keeping focus 

I just did a google search.  I didn't find any other forums for block
printing.  Please give just one.  I have always liked the fact that this was
an inclusive forum where all woodblock printing could be discussed, not just
moku-hanga.  I think that is its strength.  There is room for all of us,
traditional or not.

Carolyn Ramsey


> Mike--What are some of the best discussion groups (a la BarenForum) for

>oily work?
>
> Liz Horton
> liz.horton#att.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> ..  There are many,
> MANY sources (and forums) for oily work, but BarenForum seems unique in its

> mission to promote traditional Japanese woodblock printmaking
> technique.  While still allowing oily block discussion, let's continue to
> emphasize our original mission:  moku-hanga!
>
> -- Mike
>
>
> Mike Lyon
> mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
> http://www.mlyon.com
>
>
>
>




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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 21979] other lists 


There is a list called print editions, the address is
print-editions#yahoogroups.com so I guess you first have to join
yahoo groups and then this list. Prints-L is another one, not too
active but lots of museum people and curators on this one, to
sign up go to PRINTS-L#listproc.cc.ku.edu this list is run by our
very own Steve Goddard. There is a bulletin board for questions
and answers at
http://www.mtsu.edu/~art/printmaking/wwwboard/index.html Here is
another list that is not real active, owned by Julia Ayres
http://groups.msn.com/PrintmakingLinks/_whatsnew.msnw?pgmarket=en
-us If you do monotypes, there is Colleen's list,
www.monoprints.com There is also Print Australia None of these
lists are as active as baren...I think we are unique. Best to
all, Barbara



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From: <Philip238#copper.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:07:48 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21980] Hanga 

I for one am a oily printer.
I really don't care for the Japanese methods.
 It seems to me that research will keep you interested
in all forms of printmaking.
The oily technique does require a press but it's so
enjoyable to see those rich blacks come up in one pass.
Multi color prints, hanga, seem to be trying to imitate
water color painting.
Limited color prints and black on   white are far more
effective I think. It's the design that's important,
technique  comes second.
Philip
Hammond, OR


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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:00:44 EDT
Subject: [Baren 21981] Re: Keeping focus 


there is the printmakerslist


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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 21982] Hanga 



Philip, It is the other way around, painting is trying to imitate
moku hanga, woodblock is so old.... You are right that all
technique and no composition is not a very good piece of art. I
think in any medium if the composition is poor, you might as well
toss it. However, composition seems to have a different focus
depending on the culture, but it is still about balance. I have
seen woodblock that tried to be a watercolor and although I
appreciate the technique, I like the keyblock woodcuts better. I
saw one that had about 75 blocks and truly did look like a huge
watercolor. It seemed it would have been easier just to do the
watercolor. Maybe it is the tradition I appreciate with the
keyblock.

I had the pleasure of having Dave print my blocks at the summit,
it was so fun to see what a real printer could do with them. I
admit to being a terrible carver (although I got a good lesson
from Michael Sneider so there is hope) and a so-so printer. It
was just great to see my little print of Multnomah Falls jump to
life.....

I have been an oily printmaker for 20 years so I do like what I
know so well and admit it is easier for me to use oil. I am
committed to learning the waterbased stuff....I may never feel
good enough to show and sell it, but I am going to just struggle
along and enjoy it for myself. A little secret passion just for
me.

Our new website is up at Print Arts Northwest...check out those
great hanga prints by our very own Wanda Robertson....great job!
www.printartsnw.org  just type in her name and up they will
come....such nice work. Phillip, I think we could convet you with
a little effort, waterbased ink is so easy to clean up! You just
have to be open minded here. I envy your home at the beach, it is
95 in Portland today....whew!!!!! Best to all, Barbara

>Philip238#copper.net wrote: I for one am a oily printer. I really
>don't care for the Japanese methods. It seems to me that research
>will keep you interested in all forms of printmaking. The oily
>technique does require a press but it's so enjoyable to see those
>rich blacks come up in one pass. Multi color prints, hanga, seem
>to be trying to imitate water color painting. Limited color
>prints and black on   white are far more effective I think. It's
>the design that's important, technique  comes second. 
>Philip
>Hammond, OR



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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 21983] Wanda's work 



OK, try this link instead...
http://www.printartsnw.org/dam/artists/WandaRobertson/ I couldn't
get her name to come up. We are still working out the bugs on
this site, we just launched it today..
Barbara


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From: "carol wagner" <carolwagner#softcom.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:58:19 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21984] Moku Hanga, Yay! 

Dear all

While enjoying all posts related to relief printmaking, and having done my
fair share of oily printing, I must concur with Mike  ,   < " While still
allowing oily block discussion, let's continue to
emphasize our original mission:  moku-hanga! " > , and  as April says,
<There are many

>printmaking organizations out there, but moku hanga is special because it

is

>so under-recognized in the US and Europe. Moku hanga is a great alternative
>for artists who are looking for a non-toxic technique with historic
>connections and great flexibility.>


 It was Moku Hanga, above all, that drew me to the Baren forum in the first
place.  Two years ago I had to relinquish my large studio and two presses,
but having found Moku Hanga, I can continue to pursue my printmaking
obsession in a small space, and with materials that are not as health
threatening as many I have used in the past - we actually used to pour out
copious amounts of  cleaning solvent  onto our leftover lithography  and/or
etching inks and make three or four 'monoprints'...to say nothing of
cleaning  our etching plates in the sawdust bin with bare hands...and then
there was the 'open biting' of zinc plates in fresh nitric, the hand wiping
of etching plates minus the barrier cream that was always lost somewhere in
the studio...Ah. the good old days?!

On another note, I would like to express my thanks to all of those wonderful
baroners and Baronesses who have shared their experiences of the Summit with
daily Baren postings for those of us unable to travel to Oz,  The pictures
were wonderful. Last, and not least, I cannot recall who it was that posted
the link to Floating world Gallery, Ltd, in Chicago (Julio?, Mike Lyon?,
John Center?), but  a very special "thankyou" to that person! I have just
purchased a miniature print from them. "fujiyama" by Shotei Hiroaki. 2 by 3
inches, it is a very 'large' treasure for me.

Faithfully yours,
Carol in Sacramento



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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 02:18:00 EDT
Subject: [Baren 21985] Re: Wanda's work 


wow   these are wonderful!!!!
georga



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From: <Philip238#copper.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:25:26 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21986] Oily VS Water 

Barbara
Thanks for the pep talk. I have looked at a lot of
hanga. And what intrigues me about the old Japanese
masters is their attention to design, composition.
The softness of the technique is what I don't
appreciate.
My lack of sophistication I guess, but I really enjoy
the German and British efforts I've seen. And you are
right, hanga has been around a lot longer than
watercolor, but I'm speaking of the contemporary
efforts.
It's just a point of view Barbara, my own!
Be well,
Philip




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From: "Eva Pietzcker" <eva#pietzcker.de>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:33:58 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [Baren 21987]


Dear Mike,

thank you very much for your answer. Greetings!

Eva



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