Baren Digest               Monday, 14 April 2003       Volume 23 : Number 2193


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From: "April Vollmer" <april#aprilvollmer.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:34:15 -0400
Subject: [Baren 21338] RE: Baren Digest V23 #2191 

I finally put photos from my trip to Druckstelle Workshop in Berlin up on my
website at:

1. Class photos www.aprilvollmer.com/berlin
2. Photos of architecture: www.aprilvollmer.com/arch
3. Photos of everything else: www.aprilvollmer.com/whatisaw

I have to control myself, I took way too many pictures!

Also, Sarah Hauser and I will be demonstrating moku hanga at the Brooklyn
Botanic Garden's sakura matsuri (Cherry Blossom Festival) April 26 and 27
from 1 to 5:00. It's a great event, with tea ceremony, kimono show, Japanese
martial arts, food, as well as those beautiful blossoms.

best,

April


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From: b.patera#att.net
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Baren 21339] Re: war and peace 

Thank you Charles.

Barbara P.




> To my electronic friends (and enemies!),
> 
> I am writing to ask you to please refrain from making overtly political 
> comments on Baren. I do this not out of a sense of anger or partisanship, 
> but out of compassion for everyone. I do not think that making such 
> comments on Baren serves any good purpose, and I think it does a lot of 
> damage.
> 
> I do not wish to censor anyone ... I think censorship is bad. I respect 
> everyone's right to freedom of expression on any topic. But I do think 
> there are appropriate places for political commentary and inappropriate 
> places for political commentary. I do not think the Baren forum is an 
> appropriate place for us to air our personal religious views nor our 
> personal views about the existence of aliens nor our personal views about 
> the use of bioengineering in agriculture; nor do I think it is an 
> appropriate place for us to air our personal views about politics.
> 
> The potential harm that can be done by continuing in this way is enormous. 
> Many people will be turned off of such a "debate" no matter what their 
> personal views, just because they do not like controversy. Many people on 
> each side will be deeply distressed by comments from the other side. As a 
> result, some people will cease to participate, or participate less than 
> they might have. We all lose as a result.
> 
> What good can come of such debates on Baren? None that I can see. I do not 
> think anyone will be swayed from their own point of view by a Baren posting.
> 
> It takes a great deal of forbearance to not respond to someone else. I 
> know, because I tried to express a view for peace without supporting either 
> side, and it did no good. I am trying desperately to bite my tongue and not 
> get further involved in what I see as a dark quagmire for Baren. I am 
> asking you to please be sensitive to others, be respectful of us all, be 
> mindful of the damage to Baren that might result, and resist making overt 
> political comments. Please, even if someone else makes a provocative 
> statement, just let it go ... do not bow to temptation and make a political 
> comment in response.
> 
> By all means, put whatever messages you want in your art. If you want to 
> include political messages in your exchange prints, then do so. I am not 
> proposing that we censor our art work. I just see no function to be served 
> by getting involved in political harangues on Baren.
> 
> If you would like to have an exchange of views on the current situation in 
> Iraq, I would be happy to respond to you privately, to the limit of my 
> time. I believe in the value of rational debate based on reason and 
> evidence. I do not believe in hurling invective.
> 
> With my best wishes ...... Charles
> 


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From: "Jean Womack" <jeaneger#jeaneger.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:19:59 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21340] Re:   Baren Digest V23 #2192 

How many calenders did you sign up for, Charles?  How many calendars are you
going to make to help raise money so Baren can stay online and continue to
publish its member comments?

One old boyfriend, angry because I would no longer financialy support him
and his political activities, told me, "Your newspaper is your only
protection."

Jean Womack


> I am writing to ask you to please refrain from making overtly political
> comments on Baren. I do this not out of a sense of anger or partisanship,
> but out of compassion for everyone. I do not think that making such
> comments on Baren serves any good purpose, and I think it does a lot of
> damage.
>
> I do not wish to censor anyone ... I think censorship is bad. I respect
> everyone's right to freedom of expression on any topic. But I do think
> there are appropriate places for political commentary and inappropriate
> places for political commentary. I do not think the Baren forum is an
> appropriate place for us to air our personal religious views nor our
> personal views about the existence of aliens nor our personal views about
> the use of bioengineering in agriculture; nor do I think it is an
> appropriate place for us to air our personal views about politics.



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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:45:41 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21341] Re:   Baren Digest V23 #2192 

Hi Jean,

How nice to hear from you again.

I am sorry to say that my time commitments for the next while will make it 
impossible for me to take part. I had hoped to be financially in a position 
to retire this year, but alas it ain't gonna happen. So I have to keep my 
nose to the grindstone and limit the time I can spend on art projects. I do 
hope the calendars do very well. If this test project is a winner, then we 
can look forward to doing more in the future, and I sincerely expect to 
take part then.

I do support Baren financially by buying tools and materials through the 
Baren Mall. And I encourage others to do so as well.

I hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Give my regards to your hubby.

Cheers ........ Charles

At 04:19 PM 4/13/03 -0700, you wrote:

>How many calenders did you sign up for, Charles?  How many calendars are you
>going to make to help raise money so Baren can stay online and continue to
>publish its member comments?



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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 21342] Berlin trip 


April,What a wonderful trip and I think you took just the right
amount of pictures. How nice that you met Rebecca Salter. I loved
the body parts in the museum...makes one wonder what they used
them for....certainly they were not just decorative...but I guess
you never know. Looks like a lot of good work was done and you
passed on a lot of mokuhanga knowledge! Wish we could have been
there!Best to you,Barbara

>April Vollmer <april#aprilvollmer.com> wrote:I finally put photos
>from my trip to Druckstelle Workshop in Berlin up on my website
>at:
>
>1. Class photos www.aprilvollmer.com/berlin
>2. Photos of architecture: www.aprilvollmer.com/arch
>3. Photos of everything else: www.aprilvollmer.com/whatisaw
>
>I have to control myself, I took way too many pictures!
>
>Also, Sarah Hauser and I will be demonstrating moku hanga at the Brooklyn
>Botanic Garden's sakura matsuri (Cherry Blossom Festival) April 26 and 27
>from 1 to 5:00. It's a great event, with tea ceremony, kimono show, Japanese
>martial arts, food, as well as those beautiful blossoms.
>
>best,
>
>April


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From: "Jean Womack" <jeaneger#jeaneger.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:50:45 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21343] Re:   Baren Digest V23 #2192 

Sorry Charles, I guess I was out of line on the last comment.  You can say
whatever you want and I will not respond to it.  I have to learn to be more
respectful.  And more diplomatic.
Jean

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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:42:36 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21344] Re:   Baren Digest V23 #2192 

Not at all, Jean. I know you meant no harm. Don't worry about it at all.

Best wishes ..... Chalres

At 07:50 PM 4/13/03 -0700, you wrote:

>Sorry Charles, I guess I was out of line on the last comment.  You can say
>whatever you want and I will not respond to it.  I have to learn to be more
>respectful.  And more diplomatic.
>Jean



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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:08:53 EDT
Subject: [Baren 21345] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2191 



april
   thank you so much for sharing these pictures with us    i really enjoyed 
myself
wish i could come to new york and meet you and sarah
georga


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