Baren Digest             Thursday, 13 February 2003     Volume 22 : Number 2127


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From: "Tyrus Clutter" <TRClutter#NNU.Edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:39:19 -0700
Subject: [Baren 20708] Re: Japanese papers for printing with oil-based inks 

Tableau is quite easy to use. I like beginning students to use it as it
is translucent and it is quite easy to see if the image is transfering
when you are printing by hand. Since it is fairly smooth the
baren/spoon/etc will glide over it fairly easily.
TyRuS


>>> mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA 02/12/03 05:17AM >>>

I've had a very large stock of Moriki white which goes back over
20 years.  Currently, I use it to make final proofs before
editioning on BFK/Rives, since it doesn't require dampening.  
Also, it is a good size - --25 x 37 inches, which I often need. 
But I am running out of Moriki. I can't find it in Daniel Smith,
and when I have located it, it seems quite expensive.   I found a
paper listed on Daniel Smith called Tableau. It's inexpensive and
almost as large as the Moriki.  Has anyone used this for
oil-based printing?  Daniel Smith says it's good for block
printing but

makes the statement that "Printers may find it necessary to
modify their inks."    Has anyone had any experience with this
paper?  Or with any other which might be suitable?

Thanks,

Myron


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From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:03:55 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20709] stone prints? 

Hi all,

I was talking with a brave fellow art festival goer who does stone carving
on flat sandstone. He has been wanting to make prints off the stone and I
think the texture of the stone would be awesome. I'm willing to experiment a
little, but would like to avoid horrid expensive mistakes if at all possible
(I know, what a coward, ey?) Has anyone done relief printing off sandstone
or similar porous stone? Any tips or suggestions?

TIA
Maria

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     Maria Arango
  Las Vegas Nevada USA
  www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:20:58 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20710] Re: stone prints? 


> From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>


 Has anyone done relief printing off sandstone
 or similar porous stone? Any tips or suggestions?

> 
> TIA
> Maria
> 

I have used marble as a printing surface, see:
http://www.dandew.com/proverbs6_6.htm
It was fun, but a pain in the rear end! I coated the stone first with
shellac, but it didn't creep in deep enough so the ink was literally
swallowed into the stone.  I used close to three times the amount of ink as
normal, just to get an even coverage.
But it was fun.

Daniel L. Dew
Suncoast Equipment Funding Corporation
http://www.suncoastleasing.com
http://www.dandew.com
ddew#tampabay.rr.com


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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:35:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 20711] Print Alliance 



 As you all know Baren was invited as a group to be under the
 umbrella of the American Print Alliance. This was a great honor,
 as we were the first online-only group to be recognized by them
 as a legitimate printmaking organization. The American Print
 Alliance is an active organization which sends calls for entries
 and other printmaking opportunities to members. In order for
 them to reach Baren members, they are requesting mailing and
 email addresses for those members who wish to receive such
 mailings. This gives the member opportunity to join the alliance
 as an artist and participate in their call for entries. Please
 note that the APA respects the privacy of its members and does
 not sell mailing addresses or email addresses to other
 organizations or publicize their lists in any way; addresses are
 kept in an in-house database. This database allows the APA to
 cross-check members-only entries so that only members of the APA
 enter in the opportunities that they forward.


 Members of Baren who wish to receive the added benefits and
 opportunities from the APA can email Barbara Mason with their
 mailing address (snail mail). The addresses will be forwarded to
 the APA. This is on a voluntary basis, it is not required that
 you give your mailing info to the APA; only if you want to apply
 for shows.  There is an additional charge to join privately and
 get the magazine, but at a reduced rate if you belong to Baren.
 The APA often has curated traveling shows that get wide exposure
 and are on the prestigious end of contemporary printmaking. You
 do not have to live in the US to join, anyone on Baren would be
 eligable. You will receive between 3 and  5 emails a year from
 the Alliance, so it is not a big committment of internet time.
 We hope that most of you will not want to miss this opportunity
 and will send your addresses to me.  Those of you who belong on
 other print council lists, please also let me know as we need a
 certain amount of our membership to take advantage of this for
 it to work for the alliance.


 Send your address to me by replying to this post and I will put
 you on the list. 

Best to all,

Barbara




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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:40:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 20712] Re: Japanese papers for printing with oil-based inks 


Myron,

Tableau is a hard surface paper, it does dampen by misting and
laying overnight in a damp pack. It works for hanga, but not the
best. Oil would sit on top of it, it is fairly thin and looks
like heavy tracing paper. I think other paper, even domestic
etching paper would be better for proofing. It is not the weight
of Moriki....have you tried Hiromi paper or the Japanese Paper
Place for this paper? Barbara
 


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From: Vishnovus#aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:48:07 EST
Subject: [Baren 20713] Re: Print Alliance 

Barbara,
I'd like to be on the list.
Maybe it will shake me out of this state of inertia!
Thanks,
Ld

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From: slinders#attbi.com
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:53:28 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20714] Re: Print Alliance 

American Print Alliance

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From: Myron Turner <mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:24:32 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20715] Re: stone prints? 

I haven't done it, but up here in Canada we've seen a great deal of it 
since it's the technique used by Eskimo artists. The effect of the grain is 
to soften the impression, moving it more towards water-color in appearance 
than the usual effect of oil-based relief.

Myron

At 11:20 AM 12/02/2003 -0500, you wrote:


> > From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>

>
>  Has anyone done relief printing off sandstone
>  or similar porous stone? Any tips or suggestions?

> >
> > TIA
> > Maria
> >

>I have used marble as a printing surface, see:
>http://www.dandew.com/proverbs6_6.htm
>It was fun, but a pain in the rear end! I coated the stone first with
>shellac, but it didn't creep in deep enough so the ink was literally
>swallowed into the stone.  I used close to three times the amount of ink as
>normal, just to get an even coverage.
>But it was fun.
>
>Daniel L. Dew
>Suncoast Equipment Funding Corporation
>http://www.suncoastleasing.com
>http://www.dandew.com
>ddew#tampabay.rr.com



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From: "Robert Canaga Gallery" <rcg#robertcanagagallery.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:24:24 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20716] Re: Print Alliance 

Barbara, Please put me on the list.
...
Thanks
ps how is the new place looking?

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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:31:57 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20717] Re: Print Alliance 

...

cmorgan#uvic.ca


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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:00:24 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20718] Re: Japanese papers for printing with oil-based inks 

on 2/12/03 4:17 AM, Myron Turner at mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA wrote:

<snip>

> expensive.   I found a paper listed on Daniel Smith called Tableau.  It's
> inexpensive and almost as large as the Moriki.  Has anyone used this for
> oil-based printing?  Daniel Smith says it's good for block printing but
> makes the statement that "Printers may find it necessary to modify their
> inks."    Has anyone had any experience with this paper?  Or with any other
> which might be suitable?
> 


Tableau works great for Hanga - haven't tried it with the oily stuff. I
think it's also available from McClains.

Wanda


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From: Sharri LaPierre <Barebonesart#attbi.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:31:15 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20719] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2126 

Myron,

Yes, I've used Tableau for years - it is a great all around cheap paper

for experimenting, chine colle and it can be used with oil based inks. 

I don't modify them any differently than for the BFK.  I used it for
the chine coll on my goat card this year - mainly because I had lots

of little scraps of it around - just large enough for goats.
Sharri


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From: "Cynthia S. Bendix" <contact-print#juno.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:43:19 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20720] Re: Japanese papers for printing with oil-based inks 

Hi Myron,
I have used tableau paper for printing one color (black) oil based relief
prints.
It has the virtue of coming in large sizes at a great price and is very
easy to work with. I found it easier to print with a spoon than a baren
for this paper (although I admit to using a cheap student baren) as you
can rub very hard  and see your printing progress through the translucent
paper. A school mate of mine used it for very large woodblock prints that
she hung like traditional
japanese paintings.
On the negative side, I found the paper inflexible for my less
traditional approaches to relief printing and it has very little
"character", unlike the beautiful japanese papers. I found it boring and
its lack of "presence" in the print a drawback. However, since I love
texture, I am admittedly
prejudiced.
It has a waxy feel to it, though it doesn't repel the oily ink. It was
developed to soak up the dyes from yarn so it is too absorbent (maybe)
for water based ink.
Anyway, there's my two or three cents worth on the subject.
Best to everyone from (currently) sunny Oregon.
Thea

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From: "Cynthia S. Bendix" <contact-print#juno.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:48:05 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20721] Re: Print Alliance 

Thanks for the info Barbara!
Count me in.
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From: "Cynthia S. Bendix" <contact-print#juno.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:53:18 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20722] Re: Print Alliance 

OOps!
forgot to send my email along with my address!
Thea Bendix
contact-print#juno.com
Thanks!

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From: b.patera#att.net
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:33:17 +0000
Subject: [Baren 20723] Re: Japanese papers for printing with oil-based inks 

Myron,

I've used the Tableau paper for both Lino cuts and Woodblock printing. It isn't 
my favorite paper. However, it should be adequate for proofing... but you might 
want to pull a reference print on both your Rives BFK and the Tableau, just to 
see how the ink reacts on each paper...it can look very different... I think it 
is because the Tableau is translucent.

Barbara Patera

 

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From: "Jeanne N. Chase" <studiojnc#prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20724] Re: Print Alliance 
Hi Barbara

Put me on the list. I thought I was already a member but am pretty bad 
with keeping up my memberships in so many organizations.

Luv
...



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From: "Fatima Ferreira" <fami#clix.pt>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:16:50 -0000
Subject: [Baren 20725] Re: Print Alliance 
Barbara:

Please add my name on the list

Fatima Ferreira
...

Thank you so much,

F=E1tima
 
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