Baren Digest            Wednesday, 12 February 2003    Volume 22 : Number 2126


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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:42:24 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20697] Re: sheepy stuff 



"BTW, is some going to be putting up the sheep/ram prints up on a
website?"

Hi Frank, I was going to put them up, but my scanner is acting up right 
now....do you
have a scanner ? If you do and want to send me some jpegs...I'll be happy 
to add them to the sheep website... this offer goes to also to any other 
barener who wants to scan the cards...

I would need nothing bigger than 60-80K jpeg, I can then resize them for 
thumbnails...

let me know...thanks...Julio 



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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20698] Re: sheepy stuff 


> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand

this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.


I hate this type style!
Ugh!!!

From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com

"BTW, is some going to be putting up the sheep/ram prints up on a
website?" 




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From: Frank Trueba <ftrueba#cats.ucsc.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:48 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20699] Re: sheepy stuff 

Hi Julio.

Sorry, don't have a scanner yet.

frank



At 12:42 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:


>"BTW, is some going to be putting up the sheep/ram prints up on a
>website?"
>
>Hi Frank, I was going to put them up, but my scanner is acting up right 
>now....do you
>have a scanner ? If you do and want to send me some jpegs...I'll be happy 
>to add them to the sheep website... this offer goes to also to any other 
>barener who wants to scan the cards...
>
>I would need nothing bigger than 60-80K jpeg, I can then resize them for 
>thumbnails...
>
>let me know...thanks...Julio



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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:21:30 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20700] Re: sheepy stuff 

I got a scanner, want me to scan them and post to you.

d. dew


> From: Frank Trueba <ftrueba#cats.ucsc.edu>
> Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:48 -0800
> To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Subject: [Baren 20699] Re: sheepy stuff
> 
> Hi Julio.
> 
> Sorry, don't have a scanner yet.
> 
> frank
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:42 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> 

>> "BTW, is some going to be putting up the sheep/ram prints up on a
>> website?"
>> 
>> Hi Frank, I was going to put them up, but my scanner is acting up right
>> now....do you
>> have a scanner ? If you do and want to send me some jpegs...I'll be happy
>> to add them to the sheep website... this offer goes to also to any other
>> barener who wants to scan the cards...
>> 
>> I would need nothing bigger than 60-80K jpeg, I can then resize them for
>> thumbnails...
>> 
>> let me know...thanks...Julio

> 



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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:32:34 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20701] Re: sheepy stuff 


That be great Dan, just don't make the pics too large....50-80K tops...and 
email me off-list one or two at a time....name them with the artist's last 
name that way if I don't have it....I can tell who is from...

I'll get them up on the website right away...

thanks...Julio


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From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:51:39 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20702] a bit of research on pillows--please delete if not interested 

Count me in John, but I think as the "pillow book" may indeed a
controversial theme, we should take the conversation off list quickly after
we get enough people interested.

Here is one definition of a pillow book from "The Art of Arousal" by Dr.
Ruth Westheimer 1993, Abbeville Press. Incidentally, categorized under
"erotic art" and "feminine beauty" for the record. And yes, that is _the_
Dr. Ruth.
"Most of the Japanese erotic prints known today have been excerpted from
"pillow books" --sex manuals that were illustrated by the greatest
printmakers of each age, prized as heirlooms, and handed down from mother to
daughter. Presumably the men did not think they needed them, but of course
they did and still do!"

Another definition: "An informal book in which men and women wrote their
impressions before going to bed" Impressions on what remains to the
interpretation of the artist, but this definition gives an alternate (and
thought provoking) view of such books.

More: "Pillow books have long been a traditional gift exchanged between
lovers; they take their name from the lacquered wooden "pillows" of Japan in
which these conveniently small works of erotic instruction and amusement
were usually kept."

>From another source:
"Initially, Pillow Books were used by concubines in geisha houses. They were
used as reference books regarding sexual techniques. Like Kamasutra Shunga
style. Shunga are erotic Japanese prints. Shunga literally means springtime
pictures.

The Heian aristocrats had the habit of keeping notepaper near their pillows.
Apparently, it was a common practice for them to keep a record of stray
thoughts and impressions.

makura no soshi
makura=pillow and soshi=randoom notes thus makura no soshi=random notes of
the pillow

The Heian Period (794-1192) animated unique Japanese aesthetics. There was a
preference, according to Joesph Campbell, for the unsymmetrical that
suggests movement purposely leaving things unfinished creating a vacuum into
which the imagination of the beholder can contribute.

Ambiguity permits the spectator to participate by filling-in-the blanks.

 The most famous Pillow Book ( translated into English in 1991 by Ivan
Morris) is that of Sei Sh™nagon. Sei Sh™nagon , married and divorced before
the age of 25, had 3 choices: find another man, enter a Buddhist convent, or
serve at court. She choose the latter and thus became a lady-in-waiting in
the Salon of the Empress Sadako (993-1000) in the Imperial Court of what is
now Kyoto. During Sei's time, ladies-in-waiting were required to memorize
the 20 volumes of the Kokin-Shu, a collection of Old & New Japanese Poetry,
compiled in 905, and containing 11 hundred poems."

Just a few of the interpretations that could be followed, not necessarily
all along the same strict sexual theme.

Maria

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     Maria Arango
  Las Vegas Nevada USA
  www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: Cucamongie#aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20703] sheepy print 

Frank T et al, my sheep print is called "Getting Fleeced", 
and is a black & white solarplate etching with two naked 
plastic babies and one little fuzzy sheep.

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From: JMartin906#aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:54:58 EST
Subject: [Baren 20704] exchange 15 



Dear exchange 15 people,

My apologies in advance for the registration mistakes, muddy color (in 
spots), and ink in the margins.  Not every print has the same problems, but I 
feel all are best viewed from a distance!

KAT P. -- I mailed my prints today (Tuesday the 11th), priority mail, so I 
think they will be there on time.  Thanks again for the time extension.  I 
thought I didn't need it, but I was wrong.  

Suzi Sutherland-Martin


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From: Sharri LaPierre <Barebonesart#attbi.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:37:20 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20705] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2125 

Julio,

A few years ago I was with another group who, for a short time, 
considered doing a calendar.  The coordinator talked like we were going 
to use a form with a mylar pocket for each month into which the print 
slipped in so it could be easily removed and would not require any 
adhesive to keep in place.  I think this may be what the Washington 
Print Club uses for their calendar.  Might this not be a possibility?

A pillow talk calendar?  EVERYONE will want that one!! Those folks 
should probably do an edition of 250 - LOL

Sharri


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From: "carolwagner" <carolwagner#softcom.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:35:54 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20706] Baren  Digest V22 2122 

Julio,

Gayle wrote < I would opt to affix the prints to the calendars. >

Gayle/Ohio >

and Patti Phare-Camp wrote
 <I have some Japanese calendars that the prints were pasted (a stripe of
paste just across the top) onto the pre-printed calendar page.>

In the book trade, affixing high quality reproductions/or original work to
the page or pages of a bound book, by hinging them across the top only, is
known as 'tipping in'. 'Tipped in plates', always make the book more
expensive, of course... and speaking of expense, how about thinking in terms
of a $19.95 to $24.95 retail price for a 12 month calendar with 'tipped in'
prints? Having been in retail for over 25 years (used and rare books, and
fine art supplies) I feel that there is a surer market at these prices.
Notice that the old market psychology of "$19.95, in place of $20, or $24.95
instead of $25.00, comes into play here, and that it is still germane when
you want to sell something. Considering the shaky state of our current
economy I feel that higher pricing would, (god forbid I feel a pun coming
on!) 'price us out of the market' so to speak. Having said this, I must also
state that I am more than aware that the prints produced by Forum
participants are worth much,much, more than a measly $2.08 or $2.50 a print!
So you may all feel free to toss this suggestion into the waste basket. On
the other hand, we might just make a small profit for the forum if prices
were affordable. What do you think?

 .........

Sharon, you wrote           < the course description and reading list might
be
useful! <http://www.virginia.edu/oldbooks/reading/kita00.html>


Thank you so much for that rare book school address! I may have left the
book business, but I can't seem to leave off book collecting...esp. art
books.
...
Dear Lyon,
You wrote,

<ttp://www.barenforum.org/mall/products/print_accessories.html
for $1.90 and you should probably buy a bunch (as you'll surely ruin 2/3 of
your initial attempts -- still, $6.00 for a new cover is a LOT cheaper than
the price of a new baren!). >

Well! Pleased as punch I went posthaste right to that link...Oh woe is
me...They are out of the coveted replacement Bamboo Sheaths! I will monitor
that situation you better believe. And say, have you been talking to my
mother? How else would you know that I would goof on replacing the cover of
my baren?

Cheers!
Carol in Sacramento




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From: Myron Turner <mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:17:03 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20707] Japanese papers for printing with oil-based inks 

I've had a very large stock of Moriki white which goes back over 20 
years.  Currently, I use it to make final proofs before editioning on 
BFK/Rives, since it doesn't require dampening.   Also, it is a good size 
- --25 x 37 inches, which I often need.  But I am running out of Moriki.  I 
can't find it in Daniel Smith, and when I have located it, it seems quite 
expensive.   I found a paper listed on Daniel Smith called Tableau.  It's 
inexpensive and almost as large as the Moriki.  Has anyone used this for 
oil-based printing?  Daniel Smith says it's good for block printing but 
makes the statement that "Printers may find it necessary to modify their 
inks."    Has anyone had any experience with this paper?  Or with any other 
which might be suitable?

Thanks,

Myron


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