Baren Digest             Saturday, 1 February 2003     Volume 22 : Number 2114


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From: "Jeanne N. Chase" <studiojnc#prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20586] Re: messy hanga, etc 

Sarah

As you said "Hanga is difficult". I finally gave up on mine and although I
sent in my hanga print for # 15 it was really Sandbox 101 and I apologize
for the poorly done print, so it is back to oils for me.
Anyway, I did get a huge appreciation for all of you who do Hanga printing.

Jeanne N.


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From: "Elizabeth B. Atwood" <elizuno#midcoast.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:05:43 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20587] Ink cleanup 

To Gayle and others using the oily inks: Get a tube of Avon's Silicone
Glove. Work the cream well into your hands and around your finger nails and
cuticles. You can then wash up after a printing session leaving not a trace
of ink on your hands. To print wearing gloves is a terrible idea.
Of course, we always said that you could tell a true working artist by the
many left over colors on her/his hands. But who among us needs that proof?
ElizA

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From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:17:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20588] proofing puzzle block  

Okay I succumb to peer pressure from the proof-bugs!

The reasoning for not proofing the block is that I want clean lines in the
final block. The block itself will be a thing of beauty and if we have some
little blocks with pristine lines and some little blocks with stained lines,
that just won't do! I plan on making the final block into a nice display
piece; maybe we can pass it around like the Stanley Cup.
SO!
You may proof your block IF you follow these directions:
- - Proof only with oil based ink
- - DO NOT SCRUB the block, do not use oil or solvent to clean the ink
off--Clean block by printing successively on newsprint or newspaper until
all the ink residue is gone

There! happy? :-)

Maria

Still waiting to hear from Agda Synnergren, Brenda Everett, and Monica
Bright regarding receipt of their block. I will wait three/four more weeks
and then will take substitutes. If anyone is interested in being an
alternate for the puzzle project, please contact me offlist. I really really
REALLY don't want to cut substitute blocks unless absolutely necessary.
Colleen I will get you another block at the end of February if that customs
guy is still holding on to 'our' block.
Info page: http://www.1000woodcuts.com/puzzle/project.html

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     Maria Arango
  Las Vegas Nevada USA
  www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: Shireen Holman <shireenh#earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20589] Re: proofing puzzle block 

So Maria,
If you want more-or-less pristine blocks, what about coating the block 
first so that we can see the lines as we carve? Will that ruin the final 
display?
Shireen

At 08:17 AM 1/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>Okay I succumb to peer pressure from the proof-bugs!
>
>The reasoning for not proofing the block is that I want clean lines in the
>final block. The block itself will be a thing of beauty and if we have some
>little blocks with pristine lines and some little blocks with stained lines,
>that just won't do! I plan on making the final block into a nice display
>piece; maybe we can pass it around like the Stanley Cup.
>SO!
>You may proof your block IF you follow these directions:
>- Proof only with oil based ink
>- DO NOT SCRUB the block, do not use oil or solvent to clean the ink
>off--Clean block by printing successively on newsprint or newspaper until
>all the ink residue is gone


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Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist
email: shireenh#earthlink.net
http://www.shireenholman.com
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From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:02:34 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20590] Re: proofing puzzle block 


> So Maria,
> If you want more-or-less pristine blocks, what about coating the block
> first so that we can see the lines as we carve? Will that ruin the final
> display?
> Shireen


No problem with staining the whole block before you carve. You can also
apply your favorite oil (mineral, vegetable, linseed, cooking, martian...)
prior to carving to make carving easier. I find that last step absolutely
necessary here in the desert.
I will roll up the block and let it dry, so whatever you use to tint the
block will be covered by black ink.

Happy carving,
Maria

PS Will be in Scottsdale next weekend (Feb 7,8,9) for the 5th Avenue
Festival. Coincidentally, the festival is on 5th Avenue in Scottsdale :-)
Arizonians always welcomed to drop by and find me amongst the hangie
thinguies and frilly stuff. Actually, much fine art to see at this one, it's
a good'un.

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     Maria Arango
  Las Vegas Nevada USA
  www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: Roger Leee <leesartstuff#shaw.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:13:56 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20591] Re: Ink cleanup 

Hello
I was given information from a friend who is an Intaglio printmaker. It was
so startling I am still amazed by it.
I use VEGETABLE OIL to clean up  ink from plates, rollers and my hands.  I
keep a squeeze bottle near the ink area and do not have to think about the
toxic part of the process. No runny mess, fumes, need for gloves. Just
squeeze what is needed and it will dissolve any ink. Clean up with rags or
paper towels. IT WORKS!!
I also use a product called "pr 88". This is a barrier cream that was
started for the automobile business. It goes on very easy - does not
penetrate the skin - and washes off in water. This stuff is the best barrier
cream I have found. I have tried many. It is a bit expensive, but worth it.
About $25 (cdn) for a litre ( 33 OZ, for those south of the border.) - but
goes a long way You can work on a very inky, dirty project and keep your
hands clean. As long as you do not work with water, this will stay in place.
Any cleaning solvents will not penetrate to the skin.

Try them both

Roger Lee
leesartstuff#shaw.ca
Vernon, BC
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth B. Atwood" <elizuno#midcoast.com>
To: "BarenBoard" <baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: [Baren 20587] Ink cleanup



> To Gayle and others using the oily inks: Get a tube of Avon's Silicone
> Glove. Work the cream well into your hands and around your finger nails

and

> cuticles. You can then wash up after a printing session leaving not a

trace

> of ink on your hands. To print wearing gloves is a terrible idea.
> Of course, we always said that you could tell a true working artist by the
> many left over colors on her/his hands. But who among us needs that proof?
> ElizA
>
>



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From: Dan Dew <ddew0001#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20592] A question of ethics? 

I have a question, or dilemma, depending on your point of view, that I would
like to humbly ask the group:
Is a single state of a reduction block print acceptable as a separate
edition on its own?

Let me elaborate. As many of you know (for those who don't go look at  http://www.dandew.com )
most of my prints are reduction blocks.  If, by the time I get to the third
or fourth color, I have an awesome looking block (i.e. I could print it at
this point in a single color and it would look good) I consider myself well
on the way of creating a good, multi colored print.
So, I want to print an edition of, say the fourth color of the reduction as
a series of its own.  I usually state in the title that this is "stage 4" of
another series. Is that O.K.?
I hope this makes sense, I wish I was more adept at explaining things like
our Maria, but alas, I am bald and confusing at times.

Here's an example of what I mean:
This is color stage number #5, as a B/W print:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PrintAustralia/files/DanDew/SacredTreestage5.j
pg
Here the final version in full bloom:
http://www.dandew.com/proverbs3_18.htm


Daniel L. Dew
Tampa, FL


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From: Myron Turner <mturner#Ms.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:15:58 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20593] Re: A question of ethics? 

Your color stage #5 is only available to Yahoo group members.

Myron

At 06:34 PM 31/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Here's an example of what I mean:
>This is color stage number #5, as a B/W print:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PrintAustralia/files/DanDew/SacredTreestage5.j
>pg
>Daniel L. Dew
>Tampa, FL



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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:18:19 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20594] Re: A question of ethics? 

And not even to us!!! I tried to look at it, but Yahoo says the image is 
not available.

Cheers ... Charles

At 06:15 PM 1/31/03 -0600, you wrote:

>Your color stage #5 is only available to Yahoo group members.
>
>Myron
>
>At 06:34 PM 31/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>>Here's an example of what I mean:
>>This is color stage number #5, as a B/W print:
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PrintAustralia/files/DanDew/SacredTreestage5.j
>>pg
>>Daniel L. Dew
>>Tampa, FL



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From: Roger Leee <leesartstuff#shaw.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20595] Re: A question of ethics? 

I would think that a print of a single state of a reduction print could most
certainly be a "print" on its own. It is at least a " variation".   No
different from a triptych type of Intaglio where the strips that make up a
print can be re-arranged into different patterns or images - using the same
plates.
Roger Lee
leesartstuff#sahw.ca
Vernon, BC
Canada

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Dew" <ddew0001#tampabay.rr.com>
To: <baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: [Baren 20592] A question of ethics?



> Is a single state of a reduction block print acceptable as a separate
> edition on its own?



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From: "Jean Eger Womack" <jeaneger#jeaneger.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:40:06 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20596] Re:   Baren Digest V22 #2113 

Is it the Akua Intaglio that one can roll on to a woodblock instead of
Speedball?  How are the blending properties of that ink?
see http://www.waterbasedinks.com
Jean Womack

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From: John and Jan Telfer <jtelfer#iinet.net.au>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 03 17:54:30 +0800
Subject: [Baren 20598] Re:Welcome Ignasi 

Dear Ignasi,


>Ignasi
>Madrid (Spain)


Yes, many of us have the same feeling in welcoming you to Baren even 
though we can't all reply because there would be too many "me toos", but 
we do welcome new members.

You have a lovely country and so inspirational for artists and 
architects.  I was there during the Barcelona Olympic Games and loved it 
and all my family have been back since.
Welcome.
Jan



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