Baren Digest Friday, 20 September 2002 Volume 20 : Number 1964 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19242] Re: puzzle update Maria, It is fairly easy to "proof" a block with a piece of carbon or graphite paper, transfer side up. Lay a piece of parchment or tracing paper over the graphite paper. Rub with a baren. Your carved image will appear on the tracing paper, so no one should have to get the block dirty to see their "carving".So this should solve the problem, no proofing of the block with ink of any kind allowed. Best to all, Barbara ------------------------------ From: Louise Cass Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:49:18 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19243] Re: puzzle update Hi - The project sounds great- I sent a sign- up to the puzzle address - hope there's still space or quite literally a 'piece' of the action?! Louise Cass ------------------------------ From: Louise Cass Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19244] Re: new stuff Re the puzzle prints - it would be an interesting alternative to hand-colouring for me i.e. a colour print at one pass BUT if one is hand-printing - difficulties arise - I imagine making a printing 'frame' is the solution - any other ideas on this? I'd better add while I'm in e-mail mode (would write more and more often if time weren't at such a premium) that the baren Forum has become like an extended family - - (it's definitely less taxing than one's immediate family much as one loves them!) I enjoy the discussions immensely and have benefitted from several members' advice - the exchanges make everything more 'real' obviously and I'm looking forward to receiving prints from #14 wish I could meet some of you- cheers Louise C. At 05:10 PM 9/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >Completed 3 new prints of late: >An engraving, >http://www.1000woodcuts.com/fullsize/timberlinetraveler.html >And two puzzle woodcuts, >http://www.1000woodcuts.com/fullsize/bebiendolaluna.html >http://www.1000woodcuts.com/fullsize/bajolasombra.html > >These puzzle things are a lot of fun to make. Although the preparation >involved is a bit like a brain-teaser, when you pull a multi-color print in >one pass, the fun begins! > >Enjoy, >Maria > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >Maria Arango >Las Vegas, Nevada, USA >http://www.1000woodcuts.com >maria#mariarango.com ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > http://www.LCassArt.com ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol#aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:12:17 EDT Subject: [Baren 19245] Re: Fwd: Firemen's Art Benefit: The Prints Hi, Thank you for the nice messages but again please do not put your resumes on the same e-mail. I am not going to retype them and I do not know how to separate the parts for the NYC Print catalogue. The Firemen's Group messages is not complete yet, so this is going out to the whole Baren. Sorry. Carol ------------------------------ From: LEAFRUTH#aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:41:01 EDT Subject: [Baren 19246] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1963 Maria instead of printing the block to proof it how about doing a rubbing over a thin paper gently on the front of the block with a very soft grapite. Then you can look at it in a mirror to see what it looks like. Just a thought. Ruth ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:51:30 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19247] Re: new stuff Maybe next summer -- June 14 - 22, 2003 at the BAREN SUMMIT in Kansas City? A LOT of us will be there, I imagine! Best, Mike At 11:16 AM 9/19/2002 -0400, you wrote: >wish I could meet some of you- >cheers >Louise C. Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:03:13 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19248] various Louise, on the puzzle prints. No frame is necessary, I printed the first one of the series by hand (Entre Viento y Sol). The pieces fit pretty tightly together, having been split with a very thin blade of a scroll saw. I simply square them up against one of my wooden registration jigs (two pieces of wood forming a corner against which to abut the block). On removing myself from the participants list in the puzzle: Two reasons for this, one is that I will be doing the underlying design so my "spirit" will be in there. My assignment is to pick something that will _ask_ the question "What is Baren?" and that is suitable to be split into multiples as well as being visible and invisible all at once in the final work (yeah, I'm stressing!). The other reason is that everyone will be working blind with respect to what the underlying design looks like and how their own piece fits in. I would have the advantage (or perhaps disadvantage) of knowing both those factors. In any case, we are up to 35 people so I may increase the size of the block slightly to accommodate. I will close sign ups tonight in view of the unexpected success...unless of course we get 12 more sign ups, in which case we would have THREE panels, a crazed coordinator, suicide attempts by the coordinator's husband, and a huge explosion leveling the studio just prior to completion of the project (my carotids). But what an ouvre! ;-) Do I hear 12 more people wanting to answer the question "What is Baren?" Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria#mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:57:59 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19249] Re: Fwd: Firemen's Art Benefit: The Prints Hi, Carol... :-) keep those Firemen's messages on [Baren] !!?? It's good to follow everything that's going on! And I think it keeps us all together! Mike At 12:12 PM 9/19/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > Thank you for the nice messages > but again >please do not put your resumes on the same e-mail. I am not going to retype >them and I do not know how to separate the parts for the NYC Print >catalogue. > >The Firemen's Group messages is not complete yet, so this is going out to >the whole Baren. Sorry. > >Carol > Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:23:57 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19250] Re: various Hey, Maria... Are you open to some collaborative suggestions at the outset? 1) Put yourself back in! ( DUH !! ) :-) 2) Instead of dividing us into two or more groups -- when subscriptions close, cut out that number of blocks 3) The cutting pattern more or less follows the BAREN LOGO design (the word "Baren" + the baren tool graphic). You cut and mark each block generally sensitive to the subject, and mark each block for 'carve this side and UP' and indicate a 'gestural direction' . Then let each carver answer the visual question "What is Baren" with their design expressing the gestural direction... Then, when you assemble and print, you'll get each carver's creative efforts and (if everyone follows the 'gestural' directions) we'll have a nice expression of the graphic Baren logo! And (not that you need me to suggest this!) you may act on this one any way you like (yeah! as if you need me to say THIS part! :-): all, part, none, etc. Just offering up a few ideas... Mike At 10:03 AM 9/19/2002 -0700, Maria wrote: >On removing myself from the participants list in the puzzle: >Two reasons for this, one is that I will be doing the underlying design so >my "spirit" will be in there. My assignment is to pick something that will >_ask_ the question "What is Baren?" and that is suitable to be split into >multiples as well as being visible and invisible all at once in the final >work (yeah, I'm stressing!). >The other reason is that everyone will be working blind with respect to what >the underlying design looks like and how their own piece fits in. I would >have the advantage (or perhaps disadvantage) of knowing both those factors. Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19251] Re: new stuff Hi Mike When are you going to post the exact date and a sign up list for the OZ summit???? You might have so many people there that you will have to erect a tent to hold them all!!! Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:25:44 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19252] Re: BAREN SUMMIT Hi, Jeanne... I'm not sure exactly when the 'OFFICIAL' sign up sheet will be available on-line -- probably within the next month, and FOR SURE before year-end. But the dates have been set: * Check-in at the 2026 Broadway studio Saturday June 14, 2003 3pm to 6pm, * Sunday June 15 through Saturday June 21: SUMMIT ! * Depart studio by 2pm Sunday, June 22, 2003 Each day we will be printing, carving, sharpening, making and covering barens, sampling paper etc. etc. etc. And there will be demonstrations, conversations, eating, drinking, and being merry! We intend to have supplies available for purchase from the Mall and some suppliers may join us as well. We plan to gather at the studio each evening at a given time for less than an hour for slide shows / lectures -- maximum three artists per evening -- maximum 15 minutes per presentation (21 presentations max?) -- sign up will be included in on-line registration and I'll take care of scheduling... This is for each artist to show / discuss his/her OWN artwork and field questions and comments... There will be at least four 'field trips' during the week... One to the Spencer Museum in Lawrence, Kansas (about an hour's drive) -- they will be showing a special exhibition of prints of interest to us during that time. One to the Nelson Atkins Museum (about 15 minute's drive) -- they have one of the USA's finest Chinese art collections. One to the Kemper Museum (about 13 minute's drive) -- contemporary prints, paintings, sculpture, photography One (in studio) to view the best stuff from my collection of Japanese Prints (currently about 500 - 750 prints) PLUS... the studio is in "The Crossroads Arts District" of Kansas City, so there are dozens of retail art galleries within easy walking distance and some really good eats! I hear there may be a baren tieing competition and prizes, too! Best "guestimates" are that 30 to 40 baren members will be gathering -- I think it's gonna be a BLAST !! And FUN, too! So you coming, or what?!?!?? - -- Mike ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19253] Re: BAREN SUMMIT " Hi Mike I think Dan Dew and I (with Megan) will be driving up. When you say "tieing". Do you mean "tieing one on" Also know that Sue will be driving up to. OK, that's 4 already. Back to my woodblock of a "musician". Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:56:02 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19254] Re: suggestions > Hey, Maria... Are you open to some collaborative suggestions at > the outset? You better believe it! > 1) Put yourself back in! ( DUH !! ) :-) I would rather stick to my guns on this one and stay out. A third reason besides the ones mentioned is that I may be carving 2 or 3 blocks to cover drop outs. I know everyone is committed to the core, but life happens sometimes when we least expect it. > 2) Instead of dividing us into two or more groups -- when subscriptions > close, cut out that number of blocks There will be no division at all. I will be making one hunkin' big design, it will just be printed in two (going on...three!) panels. Think about it, three-panel print, each panel 22 x 30 in, side by side, expressing what Baren members think/feel about what Baren is to them. Can you say WOW?!!! Each participant will be randomely assigned a block (I will have someone innocent do the assignments, like my cat Cricket). I don't want to be giving out tinsy blocks, so I want to keep the block size around 5 x 7. > 3) The cutting pattern more or less follows the BAREN LOGO design > (the word > "Baren" + the baren tool graphic). You cut and mark each block generally > sensitive to the subject, and mark each block for 'carve this > side and UP' > and indicate a 'gestural direction' . Then let each carver answer the > visual question "What is Baren" with their design expressing the gestural > direction... Then, when you assemble and print, you'll get each > carver's > creative efforts and (if everyone follows the 'gestural' > directions) we'll > have a nice expression of the graphic Baren logo! This is intriguing and definitely worth considering...perhaps some design based on the Baren logo...perhaps some interesting feature of a Baren that "ties" things together...we'll see! I promise Elvis and UFO's _won't_ be a part of the design, how's that! (for those who are not from this country, Vegas is the Elvis/UFO sighting capital of the world). As for marking the gestural direction, that is probably a great idea and would make the whole thing flow better than having everyone free wheel. The problem I see is that I don't really want to restrict the individual artist to an extent that it becomes an "assignment." I think as I settle in on the design, things will become more clear and I will be able to make some decisions. Anyway, keep'em coming! We're sitting pretty at 38, with a GREAT mix of newbies, lurkers, exchange addicts and quiet veterans. I think the variety in design will be absolutely awesome. 48 is a magic number...Dave? Megan? Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria#mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:59:44 -1000 Subject: [Baren 19255] Re: suggestions Maria Arango wrote: > ...I think the variety in design will be absolutely awesome. 48 > is a magic number...Dave? Megan? > Yea! Come on Dave! Jack ------------------------------ From: Charles Morgan Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19256] Graphic Chemical and Ink Does anybody know if Graphic Chemical and Ink is having trouble with their email again? I sent them email several days ago and have not had a reply. I need to have the pigment numbers (you know, like PB107, etc.) for their line of water based block printing inks. Anybody know how to get those? Cheers ...... Charles ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:39:56 -1000 Subject: [Baren 19257] Re: Graphic Chemical and Ink As far as I can tell, those are the pigment numbers next to the pigment names on their web site. (see this page: http://www.graphicchemical.net/block.html) Is that not so? Jack ------------------------------ From: Charles Morgan Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:03:32 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19258] Re: Graphic Chemical and Ink Those are the names which Graphic Chemical and Ink have chosen for their inks, but that does not tell me what the pigment is. That is why we have pigment numbers ... it helps us to compare pigments from different manufacturers. The pigment number will tell me what chemical compound is used for the pigment, no matter what the manufacturer chooses to call it. Cheers ........ Charles ------------------------------ From: Charles Morgan Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:26:16 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19259] Re: Graphic Chemical and Ink AND, I should have said the numbers that are there are numbers which Graphic Chemical has assigned to their inks. I can see no relation to the pigment name and numbers approved by ASTM for artists' pigments. It is the ASTM designation that I would like, if possible. For example, they list Brown 1666. Now, is that PBr 6 or PBr 7, or neither? Is it Bone Brown, Brown Lampblack, Brown Madder, Brown Ochre, Brown Pink, Caledonian Brown, Egyptian Brown, Fawn Brown, Florentine Brown, Hatchett's Brown, Iron Brown, Jacaranta Brown, Mineral Brown, Prussian Brown, Rubens Brown, Sicilian Brown, Spanish Brown, Transparent Brown, Turkey Brown, Vandyke Brown, Verona Brown, or something else entirely .... Anyway, some manufacturers freely give such information. Hopefully Graphic Chemical has the info and will convey it. Thanks for the note ....... Charles At 10:03 PM 9/19/02 -0700, you wrote: >Those are the names which Graphic Chemical and Ink have chosen for their >inks, but that does not tell me what the pigment is. That is why we have >pigment numbers ... it helps us to compare pigments from different >manufacturers. The pigment number will tell me what chemical compound is >used for the pigment, no matter what the manufacturer chooses to call it. > >Cheers ........ Charles > >At 05:39 PM 9/19/02 -1000, you wrote: >>As far as I can tell, those are the pigment numbers next to the pigment names >>on their web site. (see this page: >>http://www.graphicchemical.net/block.html) Is that not so? >> >>Jack >> >>Charles Morgan wrote: >> >> > Does anybody know if Graphic Chemical and Ink is having trouble with their >> > email again? I sent them email several days ago and have not had a reply. >> > >> > I need to have the pigment numbers (you know, like PB107, etc.) for their >> > line of water based block printing inks. Anybody know how to get those? >> > >> > Cheers ...... Charles ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V20 #1964 *****************************