Baren Digest            Wednesday, 11 September 2002    Volume 20 : Number 1954


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From: GraphChem#aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:10:37 EDT
Subject: [Baren 19116] Re: Real danger in Printmaking.. 

Julio -
I appreciated your West Nile comments. I found a dead Blue Jay in my front 
yard, and totally blew it off because the press was focusing on crows. I 
found out with a little research that crows and Jays are the first to exhibit 
symptoms (or the first to die from W.N.V.) Of course, by then I had disposed 
of the bird and have no clue if that's what did him in, or whether a local 
cat scared him to death!

Dean

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19117] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 

Hi, Minna...  The Salon is [Baren]'s informal print exchange.  You send in 
any number of prints you like (all the same, or different) and you get back 
the same number you submit, but all from different artists.  First come - 
first served.  Pot luck print exchange.  See 
http://www.barenforum.org/swapshop/index.html for details !

Mike

  At 10:00 PM 9/10/2002 +0900, you wrote:

>Btw, what is the salon?
>
>
>Minna


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com 

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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:35:34 -0400
Subject: [Baren 19118] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 

I gotta jump in, sorry.
The "SWAP SHOP" is Baren's informal print exchnage, not the salon.  The
Salon is something somebody who agrees to co-ordinate off an official
exchange.
Not being mean, just want to clarify.

d. dew


> From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
> Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:26:35 -0500
> To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Subject: [Baren 19117] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953
> 
> Hi, Minna...  The Salon is [Baren]'s informal print exchange.  You send in
> any number of prints you like (all the same, or different) and you get back
> the same number you submit, but all from different artists.  First come -
> first served.  Pot luck print exchange.  See
> http://www.barenforum.org/swapshop/index.html for details !
> 
> Mike
> 
> At 10:00 PM 9/10/2002 +0900, you wrote:

>> Btw, what is the salon?
>> 
>> 
>> Minna

> 
> Mike Lyon
> mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
> http://www.mlyon.com 



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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:34:42 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19119] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 

Geez -- I'm having a series of 'senior moments' I guess...

The SwapShop can be found at the link below.

The SALONs are sort of off-shoots of [Baren]'s regular print=20
exchanges.  Since each exchange is presently limited to 30 participants,=20
there are usually a number of people put on a 'waiting list'.   Some=20
exchanges have had pretty huge waiting lists (like 15 or more people), and=
=20
in those cases, a less formal "Salon de Refus=E9" has sometimes formed--=20
similar exchanges which supposedly are formed by those who were 'refused'=20
admittance to the exchange proper...  Each salon makes up its own rules,=20
but typically the members have mostly been the SAME folks who are in the=20
exchange proper!

Mike

At 08:26 AM 9/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi, Minna...  The Salon is [Baren]'s informal print exchange.  You send in=

=20

>any number of prints you like (all the same, or different) and you get=20
>back the same number you submit, but all from different artists.  First=20
>come - first served.  Pot luck print exchange.  See=20
>http://www.barenforum.org/swapshop/index.html for details !
>
>Mike
>
>  At 10:00 PM 9/10/2002 +0900, you wrote:

>>Btw, what is the salon?
>>
>>
>>Minna

>
>Mike Lyon
>mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
>http://www.mlyon.com


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com=20

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:36:03 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19120] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 

YEP.  You're absolutely right, Dan.  I think I am suffering from some sort 
of swelling of the brain this week!

Mike

At 09:35 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I gotta jump in, sorry.
>The "SWAP SHOP" is Baren's informal print exchnage, not the salon.  The
>Salon is something somebody who agrees to co-ordinate off an official
>exchange.
>Not being mean, just want to clarify.
>
>d. dew


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com 


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From: "Jeanne N. Chase" <studiojnc#prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:00 -0400
Subject: [Baren 19121] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 

Dan

I thought the Salon and the Swap Shop were the same. Ok , glad you cleared
this up for me.
 I think the Swap Shop would be the ideal place for all of those extra
prints and also prints that were made in anticipation of getting in on an
exchange if you were on the waiting list.

Jeanne N.


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From: G Wohlken <blueman#pantek.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:27:37 +0000
Subject: [Baren 19122] Swap Shop, Red Faces, Mezzotints on Wood 

The Swap Shop idea appeals to me, too, Mike.  It could be made standard 
procedure that all extra prints, beyond the Exchange Proper (if I can 
call it that for clarity) would  be made in the Swap Shop size and sent 
along to James Mundie in Philly.  It would be nice to see Swap Shop get 
some action as I think people forget it's there for extra exchanging. 
 The smaller size is nice.  We could make  it a ruling that extra prints 
(for those who want to participate and didn't get on the main exchange 
list)  for a particular exchange would go to to Swap Shop.  Swap Shop 
would start to shine in its own right, which was the original intention. 
 You don't have to make as many prints for Swap Shop, and you still get 
a nice, affordable, handleable package out of it.    


>How about this for a slightly skewed approach:  When you sign up for any 
>exchange, you are committing to make 31 prints which fall into the exchange 
>guidelines even if you fall into the waitlisted category...   At the close 
>of the exchange, you send your prints to the Swap Shop and take 'pot luck'...
>
>What do you think?
>  >


******
 Mike, we all make mistakes when we are on lists.  Once I sent an email 
(I thought) to my sister about a twice weekly letter that I receive 
that's pretty automated, but starts out each time with "Dear Gayle" and 
I was telling her how I thought this "automation" was a bit of a cheat, 
though the "Dear Gayle" was a nice touch. Well, I sent it to the list 
owner instead of my sister.  I sent a red-faced apology to him, and he 
actually wrote back and forgave me.  Hey, real email letter from him!

Anyway, we might as well get the conversation going about the salons  
 since the door has been opened  :-) .

 >Well, why don't I just go out and shoot myself in the head?


********
Dimitris, I am extremely curious about your method of mezzotint with a 
wire brush.  It sounds somethting like what James Mundie does on parts 
of his woodcuts.  How do you get the definition where you need it?  If 
you wire brush a whole piece of wood, it gives texture over all, but how 
do you control it to make an image?   Perhaps, I'm not understanding the 
mezzotint process.


>On wood I will be sandblasting it and sanding it down. To avoid deep
>traces (non-printable) I can fill in some parts with glue, stucco, or any
>other material wood-compatible.
>
>The part I love is the one when I realise that I may have a woodcut,
>without the use of any pointy, sharp tool whatsoever...
>

 Gayle
Ohio


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From: "Bill H. Ritchie, Jr." <ritchie#seanet.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:48:09 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19123] Re: Real danger in Printmaking 

Julio's message made me think, Hmm--first time I've ever read a graphic
description of an actual environmental crisis and what a printmaker must do.

Ten years ago, when the first Earth Day got national attention, there was a
TV special featuring high-profile entertainers. One was Dustin Hoffman, who
acted in the role of a Wall Street executive, I guess. His solution to
problems like that of the Nile Virus and mosquitos was, "Go to the Mall."

Professional Career Site: www.seanet.com/~ritchie
First Emeralda Portal Site: www.artsport.com
Bill's Virtual Art Gallery & e-commerce Site: www.myartpatron.com
Experimental Free Site: www.freeyellow.com/members/videoprint
Snail Mail: 500 Aloha #105, Seattle 98109
e-mail: ritchie#seanet.com


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From: "Tyrus Clutter" <TRClutter#NNU.Edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:59 -0600
Subject: [Baren 19124] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1953 

Speaking of the Swap Shop... lets get some work into that please. I sent 
prints well over a year ago and still haven't received any back as nobody 
is utilizing this aspect of baren.
TyRuS


>>> ddew#tampabay.rr.com 09/10/02 07:35AM >>>

I gotta jump in, sorry.
The "SWAP SHOP" is Baren's informal print exchnage, not the salon.  The
Salon is something somebody who agrees to co-ordinate off an official
exchange.
Not being mean, just want to clarify.

d. dew



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From: "Mary Kuster" <mkuster#ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:31:15 -0400
Subject: [Baren 19125] swapshop 

How many prints are in the swap shop awaiting homes?

Speaking of the Swap Shop... lets get some work into that please. I sent
prints well over a year ago and still haven't received any back as nobody is
utilizing this aspect of baren.
TyRuS



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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst#yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:37:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Baren 19126] ... Mezzotints on Wood 

Dear Gayle,
the idea of the mezzotinto started with the need for more precise copying
of paintings and especially pastel portraits of the time. As time went by
it evolved as genre of its own since the appearance of the subject out
from the darkness was/is a very dramatic effect.
How do you decide when to use it? I suppose just the same way you decide
when to use any technique. It depends on the subject.
For me the main advantage of this technique is the fact that no wood
cutting tools are needed.
Which was exactly what I intended to do, because I have a heavy problem
with safety in my classroom.
Still I believe that the wire brush is not going to give a good/suitable
effect on natural wood. You must try that on MDF or plexiglass or even
acetate (which I tried last night...by the way, looks very good, but
nothing close to the real mezzotinto so far...8-(...). Acetate is soft
enough to get easily identations, still it's not so easy on the 'sanding'
part.
The whole idea of the mezzotinto is to work from dark to light. That means
that while you have a BLACK surface rubbing/sanding it down to white. So
you create the texture and then you virually eliminate it, in order to get
the tonality you need.
You may practice by blackening a piece of paper with charcoal or pure
graphite pencils (6B to 9B) and adding light with an eraser.

I will be in touch on the progress,

my best wishes
Dimitris


> 
> ********
> Dimitris, I am extremely curious about your method of mezzotint with a 
> wire brush.  It sounds somethting like what James Mundie does on parts 
> of his woodcuts.  How do you get the definition where you need it?  If 
> you wire brush a whole piece of wood, it gives texture over all, but how
> 
> do you control it to make an image?   Perhaps, I'm not understanding the
> 
> mezzotint process.


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From: Dan Dew <ddew0001#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Baren 19127] The joy of it all 

Well, I guess it can saefely be said that printmakers are jacks of all
trades!
Not only can we draw, carve or incise and print, but we can be inventive
too!
I just finished redoing our kitchen (which is also my studio/printing area).
After refinishing and repainting all the cabinets (31 faces in all), I cut
and hung all the trim, re-did all the moulding and replaced all the counter
tops (over 30 ft.). Oh yeah, also cut, hung and painted all the
wainescoating also.
Just finished cutting out and installing a new kitchen sink, with new
faucets and garbage disposal tonight.
Ah, the end is near.
Also decided on my next print I wanted a softer edge (relief), so I tried a
dremmel tool to sand the edges.
Drats, too big.
Aha, a nail file will work perfectly!
When my back is sore, I don't have a press, but I do have a rolling pin.
Ah, the joys of fatherhood, handyman and printmaker, all rolled in one.

So I ask you all, can I go back to being a printmaker now





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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:00:49 EDT
Subject: [Baren 19129] firemans prints   

 hi 
   i was thinking it would be nice to put something on each print about where 
the artist is located   many of you i know which state youre in but some i 
dont    can those of you on this list let me know?
thank you 
georga

kuster 
linder
clutter
la pierre
ohira
trueba
williams
wilson

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From: "Tyrus Clutter" <TRClutter#NNU.Edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:03:29 -0600
Subject: [Baren 19130] Re: firemans prints  

As it is still the first few weeks of the school year I am in the state of 
confusion. Geographically I live in Idaho (Nampa).
TyRuS


>>> Aqua4tis#aol.com 09/10/02 06:00PM >>>

> hi 
>   i was thinking it would be nice to put something on each print about 
>where
>the artist is located   many of you i know which state youre in but some 
>i
>dont    can those of you on this list let me know?
>thank you
>georga
>
>kuster=20
>linder
>clutter
>la pierre
>ohira
>trueba
>williams
>wilson


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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:01:34 EDT
Subject: [Baren 19131] Re: firemans prints  oops 

<PRE>lol  thanks tyrus

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst#yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:58:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Baren 19132] Re:  The joy of it all... for as long as... 

Dear Dan,
talking about inventiveness and flexibility...
Since 'they' cannot afford to buy 'us' any kind of printmaking press and
combined with the fact that the classroom where I teach was meant to be a
book shop inside the student hostel I came along something that would
resolve both my problems.
I made a box of laminated wood and covered it from the inside with plastic
(vinyl or PVC, I don't know...). The whole structure is based on four
'legs' of which the pair on one of the longest sides of the box have
handles.
Guess what?
I fill the box with water so as to keep my paper damp (wet?) and I use the
weight of it all as a press...
Any wonder why monkeys ever came down from the trees and are standing a
step from blowing the planet to pieces,if they don't suffocate to death
before that?

My best wishes (...and prayers, I guess...)
Dimitris



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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19133] Re: firemans prints oops 09/11/2002 04:02:52 AM 

Georga, in case she does not get to you on time, Sharen Linder is here with
me in Illinois. Her home town is Palatine.

Thanks so much for putting our 911 prints on display...please take some
snapshots for the website ! Often you'll find that people are very
receptive to displaying art work, usually it just takes the asking and
willingness to do a bit of work...

Hey Dan, I have a similar job waiting for me with my kitchen....been
putting it off...all those cabinet doors ! When is your next trip thru
Chicago ? {;-)


thanks...Julio



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