Baren Digest Friday, 6 September 2002 Volume 20 : Number 1949 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:08:02 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19064] Re: Warning - serious flock content..only for experienced flockers ! As well you should be! At 03:20 PM 9/4/2002 -0500, Julio wrote: >thanks...unanimous.... >ps.. I am so ashamed! {;-) Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: G Wohlken Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:27:14 +0000 Subject: [Baren 19065] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 Here's a question, though it doesn't have to do a whole lot with woodblocks, but in a way it. does. I did a woodcut for a poster, and then I designed the poster on my Mac (scanned in the woodcut, added lettering, etc., and the size is of the poster is to be 22 x 36 inches) My son works as a map maker and there is a large printer at his place of employment that we thought could print this out. They do not have Macs there, and we tried and tried to find a program on the Mac that would translate this whole poster with the graphics to something they could read from a disk. No go. What's a person to do? Also, Julio I enjoyed your flocking post. Gayle Ohio ------------------------------ From: Bette Wappner Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19066] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 Gayle I'm a Mac girl, but not knowledgeable of the selection of programs that might work for this. Rather than going to the expense of possibly buying a compatible program or spending time researching something that will work, I'd take it to Kinkos if you have one in your area. They "should" be able to take your disc and pop it out on a large poster-sized copier. Gook luck! Bette Wappner Erlanger, norther Kentucky > From: G Wohlken > Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:27:14 +0000 > To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Subject: [Baren 19065] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 > > Here's a question, though it doesn't have to do a whole lot with > woodblocks, but in a way it. does. I did a woodcut for a poster, and > then I designed the poster on my Mac (scanned in the woodcut, added > lettering, etc., and the size is of the poster is to be 22 x 36 inches) > My son works as a map maker and there is a large printer at his place > of employment that we thought could print this out. They do not have > Macs there, and we tried and tried to find a program on the Mac that > would translate this whole poster with the graphics to something they > could read from a disk. No go. What's a person to do? > > Also, Julio I enjoyed your flocking post. > > Gayle > Ohio > > > ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Baren 19067] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 Whoa, easy solution. Ask your son if the machine will accept a jpeg, which is universal. Then save your Mac image as a jpg. d. dew > From: Bette Wappner > Subject: [Baren 19066] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 > > Gayle > > I'm a Mac girl, but not knowledgeable of the selection of programs that > might work for this. Rather than going to the expense of possibly buying a > compatible program or spending time researching something that will work, > I'd take it to Kinkos if you have one in your area. They "should" be able > to take your disc and pop it out on a large poster-sized copier. > > Gook luck! > Bette Wappner > Erlanger, norther Kentucky > > > > > >> From: G Wohlken >> Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp >> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:27:14 +0000 >> To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp >> Subject: [Baren 19065] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 >> >> Here's a question, though it doesn't have to do a whole lot with >> woodblocks, but in a way it. does. I did a woodcut for a poster, and >> then I designed the poster on my Mac (scanned in the woodcut, added >> lettering, etc., and the size is of the poster is to be 22 x 36 inches) >> My son works as a map maker and there is a large printer at his place >> of employment that we thought could print this out. They do not have >> Macs there, and we tried and tried to find a program on the Mac that >> would translate this whole poster with the graphics to something they >> could read from a disk. No go. What's a person to do? >> >> Also, Julio I enjoyed your flocking post. >> >> Gayle >> Ohio >> >> >> > ------------------------------ From: "Jean Womack" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:50:28 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19068] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 I made a 911 fireman print for Carol Pulin but it was rejected because it was lying down, waiting to be rescued, instead of standing up straight. Sometimes I have trouble reading directions. I guess I am used to getting directions verbally, or something. Sometimes the directions conflict. Then which one do you follow? Obviously if you are writing on line, you don't have a choice. Following previous orders may be a problem for some people. Some people get trained and they know what to do: they just do it; they don't wait for directions. (No run-on sentences.) For example, they take the prints and exhibit them. No one has to tell them to do it. Thank you. Jean ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:54:01 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19069] real prints (long post) Regarding the ebay "real prints" and/or editioning issue, the following comes to mind: "Rules? There are no rules! We are trying to accomplish something here..."--Albert Einstein Although I'm not condoning in any way the practice of renaming ink-jet printouts in order to sell them, I can offer some perhaps appeasing (perhaps hair raising) arguments from "the other side." Most of the better venues for printmakers already have requirements such as certificates of authenticity and explanation of materials and limits on editions and so on. I will just report what I hear out there in the real world, where getting along with other artists and not alienating a varied audience are literally essential to survival. The business world is an uncomfortable place for many artists, teeming with exaggeration and deception. It's a jungle out there; every man for himself (geez, ran out of clichŽs for the moment, but they all apply!). Painters and other artists are trying to make a living. Enough of them sell original paintings for the same amount we printmakers sell 1 of 100 prints. It is obscene and sad to see good artists (and there are plenty of good artists out there) sell sofa size original work for a few hundred bucks. Alas! not everyone out there has a few hundred bucks and they hope to get something for less than 100 bucks. What's a painter to do? Some sell miniatures and avoid the whole repro business altogether. Most have tried the offset reproduction business, paying more to some printer to make offset lithographs than they are currently selling their original paintings for. The result is that they look for cheaper and cheaper ways to reproduce their paintings in small formats so they can cater to the 20-buck audience and subsequently feed their children. Ink-jet prints, fugitive inks and all and printed on office supply store paper, are being sold as prints. In addition to painters, photographers, long neglected by both the art world and the general public (remember, EVERYONE takes purdy pee-chures) have also found salvation in the digital camera/ink-jet combination. They can now forgo the work and chemical pollution of developing and the expense of filters and retouching and replace all that with the magic of Photoshop and the technology of a Canon ink-jet. They can print on demand at the touch of a button in several popular sizes and cater to everyone and subsequently feed their children. EBay is a gold mine for anyone taking advantage of impulse buying and the thrill of bidding on something, especially against someone else. I EBay from both sides and it's boring when I get what I want for the minimum bid (except for that killer deal of a litho stone for 30 bucks). EBay will not cater to a minority of whiny artists demanding integrity in the fine print business, although they will string you along endlessly. The nice folks who started EBay are feeding their children caviar and they'll be damned before they go back to tuna sandwiches just to be thought of as having 'integrity' (an elusive concept in the business world). The gazillion of people that buy "prints" on EBay (and visit an art festival for that matter) want two things in a "print": Above all, it must match the couch and/or fit into that empty spot on the wall (a fact that many artists just can't get over and subsequently won't ever feed their children); second in importance, a print must be numbered and signed by the artist. They know that much. Consequently, artists dutifully sign their series of 500, 10 thousand or whatever. When they run out of a good seller, they start another edition, dutifully signing and numbering everyone of those 10 thousand and subsequently feed their children. Sure, you can search endlessly for the "collectors" who buy fine prints to put them in a drawer for posterity, but there are fewer of them than there are consumers of art. Sure, you can find galleries who will dress up your prints in fancy dresses and wait...and wait...and wait...for that check in the mail. You can mount your own shows too, get newspapers to cover you, send your work to gallery and museum competitions. Do all that, but to feed your children NOW the anxious general public awaits your prints with an open wallet. It's up to you to meet their terms and keep your good name while doing it. What's a printmaker to do? In Spanish we say: Haz bien y no mires a quien (do well and don't look at anyone else). Make stunning woodcut prints that make people stop and say "I've never seen anything like that." Make such beautiful and/or impressive images that the grandest photo of the Grandest Grand Canyon will look clichŽ and puny in comparison. Make textured, technically awesome, layered in copper, transparent as wings of an insect, shining or beautifully black and white prints. Make prints on one of the hundreds of lovely Japanese papers, on the labored and textured bark papers, on wood veneer, on the classical smooth European papers. Make your prints so flocking(!) awesome that people, ignorant as they may be, will stop and be taken to a place they have never been before. Make them good and make them right, every time. Make them as you feel they should be made, number them, sign them, limit them; do whatever you feel is the right thing. Carry on the ageless tradition of printmaking. You are an artist and have the advantage of CREATION. Create, damn it. Further, you are a printmaking artist and have the huge advantage of creating multiple original works of art, each as beautiful and full of soul as the next. Try to find the soul in an ink-jet printout. Forget about flat, lifeless reproductions. Forget about fighting the ignorance and crusading for the survival of the lowly pathetic printmaker. Energy is best used in creating images, cutting and printing them. Embed that energy into every print, suffer every cut, sweat every line. Show people your blocks and your scars, let them touch the surface of hand-made paper. Channel your anger and outrage and get in the studio and make stunning art. People buy stunning art and you will feed your children while everyone else's children eat too. Do what you do, do it well. Health to all, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria#mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII#aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:10:59 EDT Subject: [Baren 19070] Re: Warning - serious flock content..only for experienced f... dean it would be fine with me will bring you out a set (short some as they sold) john center ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII#aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:14:43 EDT Subject: [Baren 19071] Re: real prints (long post) amen maria ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:05:46 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19072] Re: real prints (long post) Maria -- you're a visionary! At 08:54 AM 9/5/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Channel your anger and >outrage and get in the studio and make stunning art. People buy stunning art >and you will feed your children while everyone else's children eat too. Do >what you do, do it well. > >Health to all, >Maria Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:36:12 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19073] Re: [Munakata Shiko: Japanese Master of the Modern Print" at the Philadelphia Museum of Art 09/05/2002 01:39:39 PM A few years back (how time flies!) when I was mounting the 1999 Baren print exhibit I had the awesome experience of holding in my hands (caressing was more like it!) a woodblock carved by Munakata. The current owner of Aiko's (japanese art supplier in Chicago) had heard of our group and upon my visit to his store he took out this block for me to look at. The story goes that back in the late 60's master Munakata visited Chicago at the invitation of local art patrons and Mrs. Aiko. During an improptu demonstation, Munakata carved and printed the block to the delight of the audience. It was hard to control my excitement. That beautiful black ink all over the artists bold carving! Even after 30+ years you could sense the magnificent creative force and dynamics of the man ...all contained on that 10X14" piece of wood. Jim...how long does the Philly exhibit runs ? a trip to Philly comes to mind!!! Julio ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:39:26 EDT Subject: [Baren 19074] fireman prints hi again i just want to let everyone know that i have 2 confirmed showings of the fireman prints lined up one on sept11 at whittier city hall (they will be displayed around a nyfd engine) there will be a press release and also ads on local cable tv also on the 18th there will be a luncheon given by the covina chamber of congress to honor the fireman and policeman of the year the firechief for LA county will be there among other dignitaries the prints will be there also with a press release i decided to put this announcement on baren partly for convience and partly because there will be blurbs about baren as a group as well ive also contacted fox 11 a los angeles tv station well see....... georga ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19075] Re: fireman prints Wonderful, georga - let me know if I can do something to help. Bea ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:00:34 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19076] Re: "Munakata Shiko: Japanese Master of the Modern Print" at the Philadelphia Museum of Art Sounds wonderful - can't wait for it to get to Los Angeles. Bea Ray Hudson wrote: > I've just received a copy of Munakata Shiko: Japanese Master of the > Modern Print, published for the exhibit at the Philadelphia Museum > of Art (27 July to 10 Nov.) and at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art > (5 Dec to 2 March 2003). It's expensive ($65 plus $10 > postage/handling) but it has to be the most beautiful & breaktaking catalog I've > seen. It's hard-cover, 227 pages, filled with wonderful full color woodcuts, > calligraphy, paintings, etc. The woodcuts are like none other in the world. > The photographs of Muntkata smiling are infectious. I'm a great > fan of his work, but there are many here I've never seen. >Hello all, > >I just returned from a fabulous two weeks on the outer tip of Cape Cod, >where I happily started two new woodcuts of a rather large size (for me). > However, the reason I'm writing now is to say that the week before we >left for Massachusetts, Kate and I had a chance to do a quick fly through >of the Munakata show at the PMA (I had to drop in for business, so why >not add a bit of pleasure?). > >It's an amazing show -- one that I will have to go back and spend much >more time over. It seems that most of the pieces here on display are >from the Munakata Museum in Nippon. Although the catalog is lovely (and a >bit pricey even with my employee discount), there really is no substitute >for seeing these works in person. I don't believe I had ever seen any of >Munakata's work 'in the flesh before' and I was simply blown away by the >scale of these prints and the energy of his cutting. More than that was >the method of presentation: series of prints mounted on large folding >screens. The effect is stunning -- monumental and yet functional. >Several prints in the show are fifteen or more feet long, and it just >made my arm ache to see all that acreage he had to cover with the baren, >though the exertion was more than worthwhile (his, I mean). > >Ray, have you been able to make it down to Philly yet to see the show? >If not, you _must_. You certainly won't be sorry for having made the >trip. > >Regards, >James Mundie >http://missioncreep.com/mundie/index.htm ------------------------------ From: Myron Turner Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:49:25 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19077] Re: "Munakata Shiko: Japanese Master of the Modern Print" at the Philadelphia Museum of Art I ordered the Munakata book from the Museum over the internet. When you are placing the order, the web site doesn't tell you the cost of the shipping, and when I placed my order I thought I had to chose fedex international economy. When I was being thanked for my order, the cost showed up as US $39.00, so that with the cost of the book the total was US $101. Or $155 CDN. Fortunately there was an 800 number I was able to call and they changed the shipping mode to one that costs $20--which is still $85 or about $130 CDN. So, Canadians beware! Myron Turner At 01:00 PM 05/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Ray Hudson wrote: > > > I've just received a copy of Munakata Shiko: Japanese Master of the > > Modern Print, published for the exhibit at the Philadelphia Museum > > of Art (27 July to 10 Nov.) and at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art > > > (5 Dec to 2 March 2003). It's expensive ($65 plus $10 > > postage/handling) but it has to be the most beautiful & breaktaking >catalog I've > > seen. It's hard-cover, 227 pages, filled with wonderful full color >woodcuts, > > calligraphy, paintings, etc. The woodcuts are like none other in the >world. > > The photographs of Muntkata smiling are infectious. I'm a great > > fan of his work, but there are many here I've never seen. ------------------------------ From: Cyndy Wilson Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:45:30 -0700 Subject: [Baren 19078] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1945 on 9/3/02 11:01 AM, PHARE-CAMP,PATTI (HP-USA,ex1) at patricia_phare-camp#hp.com wrote: I'm used to getting over my own afront...Ever notice > how surprise and shock set you up for thought? No kidding!!! Very well put! Cyndy ------------------------------ From: b.patera#att.net Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:06:42 +0000 Subject: [Baren 19079] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 Gayle, I'm a functioning computer illiterate so you probably have already tried turning the file's into Giffs. I mention this because I had a similar, though reversed, problem with some computer files that I took to Kinko's. Their computers could not read my PC's Riff, Btmp, or Jpeg files.... but the Mac could read them once I turned them into Giff files. Barbara P. ------------------------------ From: Myron Turner Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19080] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1948 But if there's any subtlety or a large range of color, the gifs won't be able to pick it up, since they have restricted color plaettes. The jpeg should work, if you save it in Photoship Or, the MAC Photoshop might give you the option of saving a bmp image in Windows format. At 02:06 AM 06/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Gayle, > >I'm a functioning computer illiterate so you probably >have already tried turning the file's into Giffs. I >mention this because I had a similar, though reversed, >problem with some computer files that I took to Kinko's. >Their computers could not read my PC's Riff, Btmp, or >Jpeg files.... but the Mac could read them once I turned >them into Giff files. > >Barbara P. ------------------------------ From: slinders#attbi.com Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:22:49 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19081] Re: fireman prints Very good work, Georga! These prints are part of the way we experienced September 11 and the days that followed. It is appropriate that it is part of the way we will mark the day this year. I'm glad that you are letting us know about your efforts, and about the places our prints will speak this next week! A student committee at Harper College has asked that at least some of the prints that were exhibited at the six month anniversary be exhibited on stage for the memorial program that is being planned for Wednesday. Sharen ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:36:09 EDT Subject: [Baren 19082] Re: fireman prints one more thing: what im going to do is exhibit the prints and if anyone wants to buy them they can contact me ill only need extra prints if more than the ones that i have sell if that happens ill have the person prepay and then ill contact the artist if there is a problem with this please let me know off list now i have to go write up some kind of press release if anyone has suggestions (carol, sharen, john, dan????) please let me know thanks georga ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:37:49 EDT Subject: [Baren 19083] Re: fireman prints bea i cant think of anything that you can do to help but if youd like to attend youd be more than welcome your print reminds me of kathe kollwitzs work its wonderful hope you are well and happy georga ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V20 #1949 *****************************