Baren Digest              Sunday, 1 September 2002      Volume 20 : Number 1944


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From: Cyndy Wilson <crwilson#icehouse.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19017] Re: firemans prints 

Yes...extra prints are no problem.

Cyndy Wilson


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From: Cyndy Wilson <crwilson#icehouse.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:44:48 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19018] Re: Scotland trek 

I visited Edinburgh Printmakers several years ago and thought that it was a
wonderful facility.  Great natural lighting too!

Cyndy


on 6/7/02 12:10 PM, Wanda Robertson at robertson#canby.com wrote:


> The tour bus to Loch Ness & through the Highlands was truly
> wonderful. The weather was clear & sunny & we had the rare
> pleasure of seeing Ben Nevis all the way to the top! We didn't
> see "Nessie" but maybe next time. All the bad rap about the food
> sure didn't match with our experience, though. The food has all
> been excellent. And did I say how nice the people are?
> 
> This afternoon we visited with people at the Edinburgh
> Printmakers. What a wonderful studio they have to work in. And
> such wonderful stuff they are turning out! A must on any visit to
> Edinburgh I think!
> 
> Wanda 
> 



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From: Cyndy Wilson <crwilson#icehouse.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19019] Re: Limestone City, PA?  Ontario? 

I thought that it was Bavarian limestone?

Cyndy

on 8/16/02 1:44 PM, Brad A. Schwartz at baschwar#cet.com wrote:


> on 8/16/02 09:48 AM, Dan Sabo at dan#dansabo.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 

>> Was limestone for use of Litho Stones ever mined in the US?

> 
> In school we were always told that the limestones for lithography only came
> from one quarry in Italy... never heard of stones being quarried in the US.
> 
> Brad
> 



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From: "Linda" <LMHTWB#prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:02:39 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19020] Prints on eBay 

Hi Folks,

I know you are all busy printing and such, so I'm hesitant to ask for your
time, but I'm frustrated.

The other day, I was listing a few prints on eBay and I annoyed that dealers
were putting Kinkade 'prints' in the self-representing artist category and
in the original print section.  I was looking for a place to complain, when
I ran across the chat boards on eBay.  (click 'community' to get to the
beginning section.)  They have one board totally devoted to art and artists.
One thread caught my eye -- "Wanting your feedback on the Art category".
The eBay gods write:  "We are considering changing the category name from
"Art" to "Art & Prints". The logic behind this proposed change is that the
Art category includes a wide range of items including both original art
(photographs, paintings, drawings, sculpture, folk art, etc.) and
reproductions (prints & posters.)"

The discussion this has generated has been interesting and frustrating.  A
lot of artists apparently think anything signed is an original print and
eBay seems to agree.  I tried to explain what an original print was (and
that a signature doesn't make it so) and I was told to quit living in the
past.  My favorite statement is: "But I just think that printing multiples
of a painting is something all artist will be doing!!! It makes sense and
the printers will probably be so fantastic that they will look like the best
original print you ever saw. "

Now, this is a basically stupid discussion and I wouldn't waste my time nor
yours on it, except for one thing.  (Okay, I like to yank a chain or two so
this does have some entertainment value also!)  If eBay can finally grasp
the difference between original prints, self-published 'prints' (PMRs by
individual artists), and commercial 'prints', then just maybe, eBay will
enforce its categories so that the contemporary original print section is
not full of reproductions.  This would then make selling original prints on
eBay much easier.

So, while your prints are drying or your hand is relaxing, go to this link,
sign in, and tell them what an original print is and why Thomas Kinkade
'prints' are not originals!

http://forums.ebay.com/dws?14#1030818746180@.ef6fe36

Linda,
and yes, I have 'a thing' against Thomas Kinkade


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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:02:47 EDT
Subject: [Baren 19021] Re: Prints on eBay 

 i too have a thing about kinkaide    to me he is not an artist making money  
  he is a businessman making "art"    theres a difference
georga

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From: Jim Bryant <jim.bryant#murraystate.edu>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:10:39 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19022] Editioning prints 

Rich,

I agree very much with what Julio says, but I would like to add one thing:
editioning your prints is part of the business of being an artist.
I view the edition as a sort of contract, that states that this particular
print exists as, for example, one of 50 identical prints. which should mean
that print the patron is viewing/purchasing does not vary in the slightest
bit from the other 49--and that there are no more than those 49 stated at
the bottom of the print.

jim-


> What constitutes an edition?  Is is all prints pulled
> from the same block -- or do different colors and/or
> different paper qualify for a new edition?
> Rich Campbell
> ------------------------------
> I like not to think of the word 'edition' as something related to the
> actual signing & numbering of the prints, but
> rather at the actual task of printmaking. Making an edition to me equals
> making multiple prints at one consistent setting.
> 
> thanks...Julio Rodriguez



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From: ArtfulCarol#aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:31:40 EDT
Subject: [Baren 19023] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1942 

Some color "why's":
I have found this  watercolor info goes a long way:

Ultramarine blue has red in it and no mattter how you mix it with yellow it 
will not make a real green. But you may like what it does make.  Choose 
prussian, my favorite, or cobalt.

Alizarin and ultramarine make   beautiful  pure mixed violets.

Cadmium red mixes well with cadmium yellow to make orange.  No luck in using 
it with blues for purple.

I have the  Blue and Yellow  bookon  my shelf  The section on color bias 
answers your question, Charles..

CarolL.
Irvington, NY

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From: "April Vollmer" <april#aprilvollmer.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Baren 19024] science and art mix

Thanks, Patsy! I love the combination of Science and art myself, and this
fugu was just the odd connection that I like best. Esoteric! Because the
fugu has remarkably 'clean' DNA it is good for comparison to human DNA. I
was gratified to learn that this group plans to publish the code on the
internet: open source DNA!!

My website has been updated with pics of the magazine, and a bunch of other
stuff.

best,

April
www.aprilvollmer.com


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From: barebonesart <barebonesart#attbi.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:24:24 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19025] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1943 

Rich,
Julio has given the whole picture of editioning in a nutshell. If your
purpose is to print a variable edition (variety of inks and/or papers) then
you can label it a variable edition.  If you just want to try combinations
of different inks and finally settle on one, then you can label the
experiments either T/P (trial proof) C/P (color proof) or have a group of
monoprints.  If you print a batch one way, and then another batch another
way, you have created a first and second edition.

That thar is the way it was taught when I t'was a young'un - and it's the
way I taught it, too. But, you will receive a multitude of answers & all of
them are the right answer. Confusing? Nooooo, just keeping a little bit of
the magic in there. :-)

Happy editions,
Sharri

 


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From: juan <viscult#prodigy.net.mx>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19026] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1943 


>APRIL:


Can we see the cover of Science magazine somewhere in the web?
May be you said it and I missed it. Congrat!!!


>April, what a surprise to pick up my mail the other day and find one of=

 your

>lovely prints on the cover of Science!!!


Juan Guerrero
J. Pilar Ruiz 276
F. del R=EDo.   Morelia
58040   MEXICO
tel/Ph: (443) 320 7273
Alternative e-mail:
2ojos#ozu.es
www.juanguerrero.galeon.com



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From: "John Cleverdon" <jhcleverdon#mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Baren 19027] Re: Editioning prints 

A couple of exceptions to Jim Bryant's statement on editioning prints:
...........>I view the edition as a sort of contract, that states that this
particular

> print exists as, for example, one of 50 identical prints. which should

mean

> that print the patron is viewing/purchasing does not vary in the slightest
> bit from the other 49--and that there are no more than those 49 stated at
> the bottom of the print........(1)  The Artist's Proof (which

traditionally is supposed to be limited to about 10-15% of the size of the
edition  and (2) presentation proofs (marked H/C or Hors
Commerce)..................John Cleverdon

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From: FurryPressII#aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:47:33 EDT
Subject: [Baren 19028] Re: Editioning prints 

The goal is to make them as close as possible depending on how they were 
printed.
If you hand ink and hand print you would expect a little more variable than 
if inked and printed on a vandercook which allows almost perfect exactness.  
Sometimes things are not always under our control an example of this would be 
to print some copies now and the rest later and the paper manufacture changes 
his formulation for his paper an example of this would be arches/reives or if 
you use handmade paper and there is a var. nature of that. I noticed one ream 
of revies lt. wt. was different from the second one I used to me that is 
outside of my control so both are part of one edition.  Remember artist 
printed editions may not be able to be as exact as a print publisher can make 
them.

Variable edition and mono-type prints     any one want to go into that kettle 
of fish? 
hehehe
What if the same key block is used but different secondary blocks how should 
that be defined? limited series, artist book if bound   can a series be edi
tioned? if so how close does it have to be?  and how should they be numbered 
if you indeed to use the block again?
john center

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