Baren Digest              Saturday, 11 August 2001      Volume 16 : Number 1517


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From: GWohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:29:56 -0400
Subject: [Baren 15354] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1516 

Jean, I found the bee and henbane print and it was Roger Ball who had
done it.  For those who want to see it:

http://www.barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_99/exchange_frame.html

Also, at Graham's workshop last year, I was trying the same thing but I
don't think my print shows it too well, but it is in the background blue
of the spider print.

http://www.barenforum.org/members/wohlken/exchange_6.jpg

Gayle

> Hi all,
> Jan and I have been having a discussion about goma-zuri, the sesame effect.
> Does anyone have a picture of it on their web site?  I went looking for the
> bee-and-henbane print, I think Julio did it when he was starting out.  It
> showed the speckled effect pretty well.
> Jean
>

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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:57:25 -0700
Subject: [Baren 15355] edition size

The upper limit of 200 is established because that is the legal limit for
artworks to be considered fine art.  Anything above 200 is considered
commercial art.

Jean Womack
http://www.jeaneger.com

> From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:52:30 -0400
> Subject: [Baren 15350] Editions
>
> Is there a standard number of prints in an edition?
> I was told by a collector that 50 was the magic number.
> 50?
> Seems like a lot and an antique method of determining value.  Unless you
> count them all, who knows if it was less than or more than?
>
> dan dew



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From: Greg Carter <artfool@bulloch.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Baren 15356] Re: edition size 

I am one of those artists that hate rules(I annoyed the heck out of my
printing teachers in school by the way)  I have to say that art is an open
and creative thing and I find it silly that at a certian number of print
suddenly makes the work not fine art.   I belive you print as much as your
market and your matrix will allow.  Let us remember that many of the prints
that we love and treasure from the past (Durer and Rembrandt for instance)
were made in editions over 200 and many printed after the artists life
time.  Though the number may effect value, it alone does not control
quality.  The problem is that most prints in todays art world that have an
edition of 1500 are reproductive but this does not have to be the case.  I
would love for the artists that I enjoy create an edition of original
prints and print 1500 and then sell them at a price I could afford. I
happen to have a really nice David Sally relief print that he did in an
edition of 500 for a benifit that I bought for 250.00.  What is interesting
is that this is not a knoked off print but his only hand carved relief
print(3 color lino) at that time and it was very interesting.  If he only
printed 50 it would not be on my wall right now.

So every one should print what they are comtforble printing  but do not
tell me that a print of mine that is made in a large edition is
atomatically not fine art. (this happens to be retoricle because I hardly
ever print editions over 15)

Greg Carter


>The upper limit of 200 is established because that is the legal limit for
>artworks to be considered fine art.  Anything above 200 is considered
>commercial art.
>
>Jean Womack
>http://www.jeaneger.com
>
>> From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
>> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:52:30 -0400
>> Subject: [Baren 15350] Editions
>>
>> Is there a standard number of prints in an edition?
>> I was told by a collector that 50 was the magic number.
>> 50?
>> Seems like a lot and an antique method of determining value.  Unless you
>> count them all, who knows if it was less than or more than?
>>
>> dan dew




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From: "Charles and Gail Sheffield" <gsheffield@i-55.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:08:21 -0500
Subject: [Baren 15357] Oops, sorry 

Sorry, bareners.  I apparently sent a message, intended for someone =
else, to baren. =20

Gail Sheffield


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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:20:42 EDT
Subject: [Baren 15358] Re: Munakata-Japanese Picasso? 

See Phil Bivins' Tribute to Munakata,  in the 1999 exchange of Barenforum.  
Phil also mentions the book "The Woodblock and the Artist" by Munakata.
Carol Lyons

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From: Chromoxylo@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:07:27 EDT
Subject: [Baren 15359] Introduction 

I would like to introduce myself to the Baren group. My name is Paul Ritscher 
and I live and work in Santa Cruz, California. I have been involved with 
printing as an occupation or avocation for thirty years, the last twenty in 
the letterpress field. I taught myself wood-engraving 18 years ago and have 
produced somewhere between 200 - 250  images. I taught myself the rudiments 
of Japanese wood-block printing and have done a few things, but would like to 
do more. I currently operate one of the last old-style letterpress poster 
printing shops in the country - using wood & metal types and carved wood and 
linoleum cuts. Over the past 18 years I have built a modest 300+ volume 
library of technical and historical monographs on wood-engraving and 
wood-cuts (and I've actually read them all). I look forward to future 
dialogues with other people with similar or varied interests.

Festina Lente, 
Paul Ritscher 

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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:15:40 -0400
Subject: [Baren 15360] Re: Introduction 

Hey, where's the URL so we can all enjoy your work?

dan dew

> From: Chromoxylo@aol.com
> Reply-To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:07:27 EDT
> To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Subject: [Baren 15359] Introduction
> 
> I would like to introduce myself to the Baren group. My name is Paul Ritscher
> and I live and work in Santa Cruz, California. I have been involved with
> printing as an occupation or avocation for thirty years, the last twenty in
> the letterpress field. I taught myself wood-engraving 18 years ago and have
> produced somewhere between 200 - 250  images. I taught myself the rudiments
> of Japanese wood-block printing and have done a few things, but would like to
> do more. I currently operate one of the last old-style letterpress poster
> printing shops in the country - using wood & metal types and carved wood and
> linoleum cuts. Over the past 18 years I have built a modest 300+ volume
> library of technical and historical monographs on wood-engraving and
> wood-cuts (and I've actually read them all). I look forward to future
> dialogues with other people with similar or varied interests.
> 
> Festina Lente, 
> Paul Ritscher 


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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:33:17 -0600
Subject: [Baren 15361] Portland oregon charset="iso-8859-1" 

I will be in the Portland area in the second week of september.  Are there
Galleries or Studios or Shows I should visit?  please contact me off site.

Garthart@eathlink.net


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From: "Alan Basist" <abasist@buncombe.main.nc.us>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Baren 15362] Re: goma-zuri

Can someone explain the goma-zuri effect and how it's done? Jerelee----
Original Message -----
From: "richard stockham" <richardjs_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: [Baren 15347] Re: goma-zuri

> Hiroshi Yoshida talks about goma-zuri in his book. His
> print 'portrait of a boy' shows an example of this
> effect. You can find this at:
>
> http://www.hanga.com/landscape/yoshida/images/boy.jpg
>
> Richard Stockham
> Birmingham, Alabama
>
> --- Jean Eger <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Jan and I have been having a discussion about
> > goma-zuri, the sesame effect.
> > Does anyone have a picture of it on their web site?
> > I went looking for the
> > bee-and-henbane print, I think Julio did it when he
> > was starting out.  It
> > showed the speckled effect pretty well.
> > Jean


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From: "Garth Hammond" <Garthart@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:39:28 -0600
Subject: [Baren 15363] Re: edition size

"So every one should print what they are comtforble printing  but do not
tell me that a print of mine that is made in a large edition is
atomatically not fine art. (this happens to be retoricle because I hardly
ever print editions over 15)"

SIGH.........My understanding is It has to do with the Internal Revenue
Service and it is an arbitrary rule set as a way to assess value related to
taxes.  No one but the govenment gives a hoot about what you do or do not
print.  HOWEVER if you decide to print whatever you want etc etc etc there
could be consequences you might not like.  Jean was sharing information not
dictating how you should print.....


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From: Greg Carter <artfool@bulloch.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:57:31 -0400
Subject: [Baren 15364] Re: edition size <200108101930.EAA55612@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> 

I understand that Garth(I was not addressing my annoyance to Jean) but that
does not meen I have to like it.

Greg

>"So every one should print what they are comtforble printing  but do not
>tell me that a print of mine that is made in a large edition is
>atomatically not fine art. (this happens to be retoricle because I hardly
>ever print editions over 15)"
>
>SIGH.........My understanding is It has to do with the Internal Revenue
>Service and it is an arbitrary rule set as a way to assess value related to
>taxes.  No one but the govenment gives a hoot about what you do or do not
>print.  HOWEVER if you decide to print whatever you want etc etc etc there
>could be consequences you might not like.  Jean was sharing information not
>dictating how you should print.....




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From: John and Jan Telfer <jtelfer@iinet.net.au>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 01 13:31:23 -0000
Subject: [Baren 15365] Re: goma-zuri 

Dear Richard,
>Hiroshi Yoshida talks about goma-zuri in his book. His
>print 'portrait of a boy' shows an example of this
>effect. You can find this at: 
>
>http://www.hanga.com/landscape/yoshida/images/boy.jpg
>
>Richard Stockham
>Birmingham, Alabama
Thank you my friend, Richard

Is the background "black" the example?  I will go back to Baren and read 
the background to this.  I wish there were more copies of this book 
"floating" around...it seems to be an encyclopedia for Hanga.

Thank you Richard and Jean.
Jan

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From: John and Jan Telfer <jtelfer@iinet.net.au>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 01 13:31:36 -0000
Subject: [Baren 15366] New Yorker Visitor to Perth 

Yesterday I had the privelege of hosting Kristin and Rich Rauch here in 
Perth, Western Australia.

I met Kristin at the back of the plane while we were "stretching our 
legs" between LA and Sydney!!  Of the 350+ people on the plane we met.....

Kristin is Chair of the Art Department (Art Ed.& Studio) at the State 
University of New York, New Paltz, USA. Her interest is mainly in 
photography at Uni. Rich is a Science Lecturer at the same Uni. This is 
Kristin's fourth visit.
They had two separate groups of Teachers and Students touring Australia 
from and with Armidale Uni, NSW to Cains, Darwin and Central Australia. 
Rich doing "the Top End" and the northwest of WA.  Quite an eye-opener 
for the students especially the wide open spaces, the loooonng distances 
and the bulldust! Kristin was here arranging Student Exchanges with 
Curtin Uni Art Dept.

Yesterday we did a quick 4 gallery tour and at each gallery we visited 
there were people I knew there, but I assured Kristin that it was a 
"flukey" afternoon and I didn't really know everyone in Perth!!  We came 
here to see our Print Australia and Baren Exchanges and the "stuff" I was 
doing and had hanging on my walls while the boys went to the golf club 
for a beer, then we all went back to Fremantle where they were staying 
and had dinner over looking the Pacific Ocean...till late! She was very 
interested in the quality of our Exchange Prints... Congrats everyone. 

It was a wonderful day..  I recommend travel and "talking to strangers" 
if it gets results like I have experienced in the last three months!  
Next stop New York!

Jan

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