Baren Digest               Monday, 19 March 2001       Volume 14 : Number 1361


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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:35:26 EST
Subject: [Baren 13934] Re: New Stuff 

Hi Dan
The "Darwin" implies a lot. I like it. Have not looked at the other site yet.
Is that 7"x10" including the border or not?
How large an envelope do you need for the exchange of Salon?
I have seen it spelled "Refusee" and dont know which is the correct way. We 
have a French person in our group , though.
Carol

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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:39:54 EST
Subject: [Baren 13935] Re: New Stuff 

Hi dan,
"Revelations"  Nice work, nice cropping!
Carol

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From: Nilsa Macaya <nilsamacaya@rcn.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13936] Re: New Stuff 

Dan,

As a photographer, your "Revelations" really caught my eye. Some of your
portraits have a photographic feel to them and I wondered if your original
pen and ink drawings are drawn from live models and/or photographs. Either
method, they are captivating. My reason for learning printmaking is that I
am creating a still life photo series that I intend to transfer to a print
medium (I=B9m still too much of a novice to decide exactly which one but I=B9m
leaning toward woodblock). Just curious as to how you work.

Nilsa

Dan=B9s site: http://www.dandew.com/gallery2.htm=20


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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13937] Re: New Stuff 

Wow, thanks for the nice words.
I usually work from photos.

dan dew


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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13938] Re: New Stuff 

I always wondered about that, i.e. what do the measurements stand for?  When
I refer to image size, I always mean the actual image, not including the
border.
Not being French, I can't spell, you are probably rignt on the spelling.
Since 11" x 15" is the maximum size, I would make your package large enough
to fit that size.

dan dew


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:33:26 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13939] Re: New Stuff 

>I have seen it spelled "Refusee" and dont know which is the correct way. We
>have a French person in our group , though.
>Carol

Refus=E9e

It is a word that influence the idiom "eh" that we Canadians just 
have to put on the end of a sentence.... eh.

Graham

Wanda,
Sorry but had to let this item stand alone.

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:34:21 +0900
Subject: [Baren 13940] New rules & regulations for posting to BarenForum 

Good morning to everyone!

Please go to http://barenforum.org/guidelines.html to read the new rules and
regulations for posting to barenforum. The council felt these news rules would be
more condusive to a smooth running list. They are patterned closely after other
mailing list rules and shouldn't be hard to follow. Thanks to all of you, both
posters & lurkers for your patience while we get used to this new format.

Best wishes,
Wanda
Baren Forum Moderator

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From: "eli griggs" <eli.griggs@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13941] Re: New rules & regulations for posting to BarenForum 

Hi there:

I have a few questions and comments about the new rules and "content".

I whole-heartily endorse Rule 1.

BUT:

Rule 2 " You may not post content that is obscene, otherwise objectionable,
or in violation of federal or state law, or that is considered obscene or
otherwise objectionable by more than one other member."

Rule 3  "We are an international group; therefore you may not post content
that in any way has political overtones, denigrates another country, is
boastful of your own country, or otherwise can be considered offensive or
objectionable by other members."

  Does "content" go so far as to describe artistic expression in the form of
prints?  If I enter an exchange or submit a print to the swap shop, and the
subject of my print is taken to comment on -any- topic that evokes a
negative remark or two from other Baren members, will my work (or artist
statement)  be banned or censured in any fashion, on merits other than
artistic or workmanship?  It is a chilling thought that any artist posting
fair comment to the Baren can be 'banned' by a coalition of two!

Not all that long ago, after reading an article in 'The New York Times', I
started a conversation on the topic of swastikas, asking for members'
opinions of the article and if they would ever consider using swastikas (or
were currently) in their printmaking.

There were a number of responses and just about as many different opinions.

While the subject was controversial, we were able to have a mature
conversation about, what is for some, a hurtful topic.

Other members have sometimes posted statements that have rubbed 'the wrong
way', with regard to national identity and the list has survived...and
flourished. The ability to speak aloud and hear other voices is one of the
main reasons I value my 'Baren Membership' so much.

Woodcut printmaking, if it is to have any artistic merit at all, has got to
be about more than carving, and the occasional debate about content must be
part of 'The Baren Equation', not excised from it.  Baren should not posture
itself to shield the 'feelings' of it's adult membership.

I personally do not believe that any subject, that is not in the nature of a
personal attack, overt or backhanded, should be censored from this list and
I hope other members will voice their opinions on this matter.

Eli Griggs
Charlotte N.C.
USA

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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:31:25 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13942] Re: New rules & regulations for posting to BarenForum 

Speaking for myself, not as a member of the council.

>   Does "content" go so far as to describe artistic expression in
> the form of
> prints?

You can do whatever prints you like on any content you wish, you may engage
in any artistic activity you feel, the rules are for POSTING in this forum.

"We are an international group;..."
>If I enter an exchange or submit a print to the swap
> shop, and the
> subject of my print is taken to comment on -any- topic that evokes a
> negative remark or two from other Baren members, will my work (or artist
> statement)  be banned or censured in any fashion, on merits other than
> artistic or workmanship?

Again, the answer is no. The posting regulations have absolutely nothing to
do with artistic pursuit or artistic comment on artistic content. The
regulations only concern posting in the forum, personal attacks, inuendos of
a personal nature intended to offend and so forth.
If a member makes a print of a bitch (female dog in heat) and calls it
"Madonna on a bad hair day" it may offend Madonna or some Baren members who
are fans of Madonna. Tough.
If a member makes the same print and calls it "Maria Arango on a bad hair
day," that is inappropriate, of a personal nature and would be removed from
the exchange as would all comments regarding such print.
Private comments sent back and forth about such a print would be out of our
jurisdiction, however. And you are certainly free to start an entire list
called "Swastikas and stupid Spaniards who talk too much." Just not on the
Barenforum.org forums.

We are not intending to "censor" anything having to do with art or the
content of our art. We are merely trying to have a forum that does not
offend or irritate its members; tough enough to get along all of the time.

>Woodcut printmaking, if it is to have any artistic merit at all, has got to
>be about more than carving, and the occasional debate about content must be
>part of 'The Baren Equation', not excised from it.  Baren should not
posture
>itself to shield the 'feelings' of it's adult membership.

Au contraire, mon ami! Baren will do whatever it chooses necessary to keep
the peace and to keep this forum within the spirit under which it was
formed. We are a bunch of woodblock printmakers who enjoy making prints and
sharing content and process about those prints.
Unfortunately as leaders of this forum sometimes we have an "iceberg"
effect: for one nasty comment or personal attack in the forum, 30 e-mails
fly back and forth to us personally about the subject. As volunteer leaders,
we do indeed have the right to shield our private mailboxes from becoming
full of irritating crap from so-called adults over whom we have no control.
One way to reduce this is to control public posting with the very few rules
stated.

>I personally do not believe that any subject, that is not in the nature of
a
>personal attack, overt or backhanded, should be censored from this list and
>I hope other members will voice their opinions on this matter.

Then we really agree! Now define "personal attack, overt or backhanded" in
such a manner that will satisfy an international membership of 400 and we
end up with rules number 2 and 3.

Respectfully,
Maria

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Maria Arango
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
maria@mariarango.com
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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:57:46 EST
Subject: [Baren 13943] Re: New rules & regulations for posting to BarenForum 

When I read these rules I wondered what was considered boastful as regards 
comments about the country we live in.  I love my country?????
We do indeed need free exchange of ideas and at times opinions and I agree 
that it could be a bit much to have 2 members making decisions about possibly 
banning someone, when, at times, personalities enter into our discussions and 
might be a conflict when this is being considered.  To ban a member they 
should have very blatantly broken rules of conduct. Such as a threat, foul 
language, really nasty stuff sent to the forum.  Personal emails and quarrels 
should not enter in. Otherwise,  a note asking they refrain from whatever 
seems to be the problem can be sent, but we need to be a bit flexible here or 
we become a dictatorship. To make a personal comment about the weather or a 
health matter in the course of also making printmaking comments should not be 
even considered a problem, (as long as it does not become a main topic of 
discussion)  we want to form friendships and a kinship among artists, I 
should think. Caring and learning about who we are and where we live in the 
course of our printmaking discussions gives it a personal flavor, along with 
the exchange of ideas and knowledge.  I think most of our discussion should 
be woodblock printing, even tho I am still busy with my linocuts and loving 
them.  I have learned a great many useful things on this forum.  So a bit of 
spread on subject seems to me to be good.  But the trail should be art and as 
related to woodblock as possible.  It seems we have had some posts lately 
that come through that say gee patsy it would be nice if we got together for 
lunch, with no relationship to anything most baren members want to hear. Such 
comments should be sent to the individual and not thru a list. Although I 
guess I have commented and said how nice someone's work is on the list, 
should I then do that privately?  As I read thru the rules it seemed the 
rules said if a thread on an art matter that was not woodcut, exactly, was 
going well nothing would be done to change it or stop it.  I did not think 
this was censorship, I took it as a way to manage many posts and keep us from 
chit chat.
Now a question?????
I am doing a 3 color print, not exactly reduction  lol.  But registration is 
important and I am horrible at it.  This not hanga, but linoblock, oooops.  
Any really good methods out there to get things lined up so I don't waste 
half my paper and all my time??
Marilynn

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