Baren Digest              Tuesday, 2 January 2001      Volume 14 : Number 1267


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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 08:21:18 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12726] Happy New Year 

Happy New Year Baren!
Thanks for the great year. Maria, good job on the Baren Suji Newsletter,
informative and well done.
Wishing everyone a happy and prosperous 2001,
Barbara

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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:58:17 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12727] Re: relief magazine 01/01/2001 11:00:31 AM 

Gail S. writes:
"Incidentally, since there is no magazine for  relief printing as there is
for other art media,...."

Hi Gail, welcome, check out the BarenSuji newsletters in the main forum
page...lot  of info and it's all
relief related.....the January issue just hit the cyber stands....you will
find some in-depth articles written
by some pretty fantastic printmakers and another fantastic job by our
editor Maria Arango.

http://barenforum.org/newsletter/index.html

Regarding lino, like Bea said, many bareners do linocuts...my opinion is that sometimes the subject or image
dictates the best medium for creation, just like some prints are a hit in one discipline but can flop terribly in others.
Certainly if fine lines and detail work is what you are after, wood is the way to go..and even here different types of
woods will give you different results....but there is a lot to be said for the free style and spontaneity sometimes
 found in lino works....this coming from a wood guy.

Happy New Year to all......Julio (Skokie, Illinois)


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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:22:49 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12728] I just met a girl named..... 

Speaking of Maria, has anyone heard from the young lady lately?
Soooo quiet.....
Exchange #8 print going well, into the second color.  I'm pleased, hope the
recipients will be also.
A word of caution:  black walnut is not a good wood to work with, IMHO.
What I thought was dark cherry is in fact walnut, thus all my carving
problems.  Oh well, better learn my woods to run in this pack.

dan dew


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:31:07 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12729] Happy New Year 

Marnie and I wish everyone a

creative,
productive
and successful year.

An adage by Stephen Leacock has been our philosophy for years.

"The harder I work the more luck I have."

Graham/Victoria BC
An Island in the Pacific
Home of the Boot Camp
http://members.home.net/woodblocks/


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From: Garth Hammond <garthart@gte.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 10:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Baren 12730] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1266 LINOCUTS VERSUS WOODCUTS 

Gail,
Hi from Denver, I stayed up last night and watched our "Millennial"
celebration!  I thought that I couldn't make it and I did.  Amazing.  We
went to the roof of our studio building downtown and it was very lovely
we could see the length of the Pedestrian Mall (about 1 mile) filled
with about 200K of humans.  I actually stayed awake and enjoyed it.  Age
can be tricky!

Anyway to the point of this message.  I find that many people have
opinions about the relative VALUE of a woodcut versus a linocut.  I love
linocuts, working with them forces you to simplify simplify.  This
lesson transfers to woodcuts.  I think linocuts are lovely.  I don't
appreciate the Japanese sensibilty although I am in awe of the wonderful
tonal gradations possible.  Ignorance on my part? Sure could be or
inablity to see something different from my experience.  I try to never
give my power and joy away because of what someone else believes.  
Opinions are just that. 

The same with style and the "right" way to cut things etc.. For me the
Baren group is great and I approach it as take what I like and leave the
rest. I have observed in my life that just because you do something for
10 years or such doesn't mean you are creative or can do it well. Thanks
for asking the Ink question i await the answer too.

Life is a joy.  


Garth

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon@mlyon.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:13:32 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12731] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1266 

At 10:00 PM 01/01/2001 +0900, Wanda wrote:
>I do have a question about this part - why would
>you want the carved areas to be more absorbent?

Absorbant means less water, so less chance of printing in case I flub it 
and press paper into carved area by accident -- especially in borders.
mikelyon@mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com

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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12732] Akua Kolor 

Sorry to do this on the open forum, but I need the Akua Kolor folks to
e-mail so I can ask them some questions.  Or, does anyone know if they have
a web site?

dan dew


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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12733] Ignore 

Hate to do this, but ignore the last post by me.

dan dew


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From: judy mensch <mensch.interport@rcn.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:01:53 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12734] Re: Akua Kolor 

The web site for Akus Kolor is waterbasedinks.com

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From: "Ramsey Household" <cjramsey@mind.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:51:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12735] Akua Kolors

Takatch Press has Akua Kolors and touts them highly.  Has anyone had =
good results with them?  How are they compared with Createx?  I think I =
am going to try them, but would like to hear from anyone who has used =
them.

Thanks,
Carolyn

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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:05:39 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12736] Re: Akua Kolors 

I'm using them now.  They roll out very thin, but they have stuff that will
thicken them for rolling.  I took their advice and just let them sit in the
open air for about 10 minutes, rolled out beautifully then.
I used them for the background color on:
 http://www.dandew.com/proverbs15_30.htm
Came out really neat on Poplar wood, almost like a watercolor wash.
On exchange #8 print I am using Akua Colr on Titikata paper.  I printed it
once, cut away for a reduction, and printed again, now on to more cutting
and the final color.

Oh well, ink has sat long enough, back to printing.


dan dew

> From: "Ramsey Household" <cjramsey@mind.net>

> Subject: [Baren 12735] Akua Kolors

 Has anyone had good
> results with them?   I think I am going to
> try them, but would like to hear from anyone who has used them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Carolyn
> 


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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:08:05 EST
Subject: [Baren 12738] Re: tools 


I have a set of lino tools from dan smith and love them.  they did not come 
with a sharpening stone, but i notice that the wood tools do.  so perhaps for 
lino they do not to be sharpened , but for wood they do???????  the best part 
of having a full set of several knives is that you do not need to stop and 
switch blades when you carve, just grab the one you want, not loosing 
concentration as you work.
Marilynn

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From: barebonesart <barebonesart@home.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:19:14 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12739] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1266 

Claude,
Yes, Green Drop Ink can be reached at www.safeink.com

I can't resist getting my .02 worth on the wood vs. lino block discussion. I
don't think classy has anything to do with it - they are just two different
methods of achieving a goal. I have seen some pretty darned classy linocuts.
The main differences, as I see it, are:  you cannot print hanga on linoleum,
you don't get any woodgrain from lino (duh!), it is easier to get fine lines
on lino unless you are willing to spend big $$$ for hardwoods, which are
harder then to cut.  Anyone else with other differences? Sometimes it is
really difficult to tell the difference between the two.
Sharri



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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:59:35 EST
Subject: [Baren 12740] Re: What a sales pitch ! 

I just returned from a trip to baja, mexico.  there is a small town there 
called todas santos where there are many artists in residence.  one in 
particulay caught my eye, her work was lovely.  but what i found 
disconcerning was the comment that the giclee print was of such great value 
and was selling for almost the same price as an original piece.  she was said 
to have  had this print done in the states, so her sales person said it was 
of higher quaity then the prints she was running off her computer locally. at 
least her computer prints were not numbered and they were open about saying 
that if you bought one it was a print of an original printed from a computer 
printer.  ????????


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From: Gary Luedtke <GLuedtke@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:34:21 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12741] Re: What a sales pitch ! charset=ISO-8859-1 

This message just contributed by an anonymous poster, caught my eye.   I
would guess maybe it was by georga because of its lower case letters,  bu=
t
as it started with a capital and _then_ dropped them, I'd have to hedge
that bet a little.  : )   It involves the Mexican artist cited, but no
media was listed as the primary one.   She sells computer prints and Gicl=
ee
prints.   What media  was the "original" print done in?   Woodblock?

>>I just returned from a trip to baja, mexico...
what i found  disconcerning was the comment that the giclee print was of
such great value =

and was selling for almost the same price as an original piece.

The Giclee may offer a better quality paper and perhaps some inks which a=
re
a little more lightfast, but other than that, there is nothing to make it=
's
price comparable to the original unless the original was done on the
computer and was an inkjet print.   But if that were the case, the Giclee=

would be the more expensive of the two.

<<at least her computer prints were not numbered and they were open about=

saying =

that if you bought one it was a print of an original printed from a
computer printer.  ????????<

Too bad they didn't have the same honesty about the Giclee's.   Same
process, I think, only a slightly classier result in some people's
estimation. =


Does this artist have a web-site so I can examine her work further?    Th=
e
mention of computer prints always catches my eye for some reason.     : )=



Gary
KC


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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:58:03 EST
Subject: [Baren 12742] Re: Etching Press 

good greif i bought a new press for like 2200.   and it is no table top model 
  a full heavy press

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:35:30 EST
Subject: [Baren 12743] Re: Posting re printing presses 

i have to interject here on the praga press.  i checked and looked and price 
compared and i bought my praga press about a year or so ago and i love it.  
the price was wonderful for the US citizen and they do not charge tax now 
with the nafta agreement.  they are wonderful to work with and yes the 
newsletter comes to me also.  I went to canada to pick up my press as 
shipping from the border to my home town was so much higher than to get it 
from eastern to western canada.  the whole experience with the praga people 
was wonderful.  glad to hear someone who has had one longer and is so 
pleased.  i paid a lot less for this press then many of you are quoting for 
table tops and mine is a full sized press with the larger bed.  i love it so.
yes i have run my collagraphs and monotypes and my drypoints on it.  but i am 
working out a system for my linolocks, will try it this week.  i liked 
spooning them but now i want an embossed effect and a heavy paper.  so wish 
me luck.  i know i may be posting several letters in one day , but i have 
been in sunny baja for 18 days and am newly home and enjoying reading all my 
email from barens.  thanks for the sharing .
marilynn
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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:54:31 EST
Subject: [Baren 12744] Re: wood vs lino 


i have not tried wood.  i rejoined baren with the idea of giving it a try as 
i adore lino cutting.  so i think carving is carving and which ever surface 
works does and this group has many members doing both.  i hope i get to a 
woodcut this year somewhere, with so much else to do i am not certain.  but i 
am getting a lot of helpful inspiration even tho i have not as yet carved a 
woodcut only linocuts.  thanks
marilynn

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:09:48 EST
Subject: [Baren 12745] Re: - It's intention 

beng selective is fine but do not be so much so that you turn away a 
prospective woodblock printer.  the first time i joined barens i left because 
no one would even talk to me, i had not tried the medium, i was carving in 
linoleum, so i felt unworthy.  please give us a chance, maybe when i get to 
that piece of wood i will be so delighted and eager for more that you will 
have opened the world of wood for yet one more.  but if i do not find 
delight, then please know that i have many of the same questions and problems 
with my linoleum as you do with your wood.  i am not here discussing my 
monotypes or my collagraphs  or my watercolors. so please try to be open as 
artists, just a little.
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From: Lawrence <vurt1@optushome.com.au>
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:25:40 +1100
Subject: [Baren 12746] Re: Snakes away 

Right ho,  55 of my snakes are stamped and flying.

Just a note to let the "powers that be" know that, I'll have great trouble 
fulfilling my commitments to anyone above number 60, as I capped the 
edition there.

Regards


Lawrence 


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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:24:08 EST
Subject: [Baren 12747] Re: Newbie with questions 


Barbara how wonderful of you to explain something so simply that i have not 
taken the time to learn, hanga is waterbased.  with my watercolor background 
and my akua kolor  wow i need this.  so you see those of us who are newer to 
printmaking need you guys to point the way.  wow, now i know i need to learn 
hanga.  and i guess i need to spend hours on david bulls site learning stuff. 
 then i need a piece of wood and paper.  so now the discussion and the 
arguments over what to allow has excited at least one member enough to make 
me want to go tomorrow and buy that piece of wood and play.  
Marilynn
Portland Oregon

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:36:59 EST
Subject: [Baren 12748] Re: woodblock or? 


i concede that there are other groups that focus on printmaking and i agree 
that to have this forum focused on wood is primary, but remember that with a 
linoblock i too am carving.   and maybe for me the linoblock will step me 
into wood, just be kind


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