Baren Digest             Saturday, 23 December 2000     Volume 13 : Number 1256


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From: GWohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:27:07 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12604] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1255 

When I first joined Baren, the reason it attracted me was the word
"woodblock".  I was happy to see something devoted to wood, and I was
extremely curious about hanga as I have a book called "Woodcuts" that
has a few pages with beautiful hangastyle images.  I wanted to learn
what is different about that process.  Though I have a press, I'm not as
interested talking about presses and lino as I am about wood and what
you can do with it.  So the more we cover the many artforms with
printmaking, the less it feels like a forum for woodblock people.  It's
all interesting, though, but sometimes I just skim the messages because
they aren't what I want to do with my printmaking.  Baren is changing,
though,  and I suppose whatever it becomes it will be what it will be,
but I notice I tend to read more slowly the messages about wood and
paper and sharpening tools because I like wood.  So I guess whatever
interests us here will have its moment of glory some days.  

Gayle
Burton, Ohio


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From: GraphChem@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:15:45 EST
Subject: [Baren 12607] Re: linoleum 



Gerald -
Thanks for thinking of us with your question about dimpled lino. About the 
only thing that will  help in restoring the surface is heat and a flat 
surface. The obvious choice is an iron. This will also help rejuvenate a 
harder surface (hardening occurs with age - not unlike my knees). It should 
fix the problem of dimpling on a long term basis. Good luck.

Dean Clark
Graphic Chemical & Ink Company
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From: GraphChem@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:25:23 EST
Subject: [Baren 12608] Re: Drier 

Greg 
Tu-Way drier is actually a Hanco product, available from a number of sources, 
including Graphic Chemical. Like a number of other products. it is not listed 
in the catalog, but is readily available.

Dean Clark
Graphic Chemical & Ink

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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12609] My Two Cents 

I for one enjoy the variety of the discussions.
How many active participants of the forum only do "woodblocks"?
I work in both wood and lino, depending on the outcome I want, so almost
every discussion has some nugget of value to me.
I don't think Baren should expand into intaglio, or litho or whatever, but
lino is soooooo very close, it would be a shame to exclude it.
I've been using all the hanga discussions to experiment with the lino blocks
and vice versa.

Oh well, always causing trouble it seems.



dan dew


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From: Lovelace Lee III <biglove@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:49:24 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12610] Re: My Two Cents 

I did wood years ago and am getting involved again strictly as a hobby.  Why do
you all seem to make such tiny prints?  Is there something I'm missing?  I know
the craft requires a lot of work, but I'm not into tiny pieces of art for some
reason.

What am I missing?

Lovelace Lee III
Los Angeles



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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:03:51 EST
Subject: [Baren 12611] Re: San Francisco Chop Store Address 

Kate,
Aboout the chop -maker in SF  If I remember correctly Marco Flavio said it 
was about 4 blocks up from the China Gate.
Carol

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From: Chris Bremmer <cbremmer@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:21:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 12612] Re: Sintra Sources 

Another trade name for Sintra is "Celtec", I used to own a
sign shop and used it everyday. :)

Great stuff to work with, I'm sure it would work fine for
relief printing.

Chris


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From: Vollmer/Yamaguchi <jy6@columbia.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Baren 12613] Lost at Sea 

David Stones, how nice to hear your voice from Japan. And dear Ray, with
his insights about the differences between Chinese and Japanese printing. I
also miss the focus on woodcut and particularly on professional Japanese
tools, (for oil or water). Sorry folks, they aren't just different, they
ARE better!

I feel a bit lost in a sea of crappy Speedball knives and waterbase roll up
ink!




April Vollmer
174 Eldridge St, NYC 10002, 212-677-5691
http://www.aprilvollmer.com



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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:13:51 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12615] Re: on lino and other relief forms 

Carolyn,
There is printmakers at http://www.egroups.com, just go to egroups and put
in printmakers and it will come up. It is not as active as this group, but
there are a lot of cross members.
Barbara

Carolyn Pflederer wrote:

> Just read the input...I was wondering if anyone knows of any good sites
> (like the Baren forum) that would interest  people who do want to
> discuss the other forms of relief printmaking.  More input!
> Carolyn


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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:27:31 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12616] Re: Baren: - It's intention 12/22/2000 10:27:19 AM 

As another old timer here, let me quote from the Baren intro pages:

- --------------------------
"Topics

The motivation in starting this list was to provide a forum for dissemination of information about woodblock printmaking.
There were a number of places on the Web where printmaking in general was discussed, but one always had to wade through
 a lot of extraeneous information before finding anything relevant to this topic. The only way that the [Baren] convention can be
 a useful resource to woodblock printmakers is if the discussions focus on woodblock printmaking. Please try and keep this
in mind. Of course, if a particular thread becomes interesting and leads a bit 'off-topic' then we should follow it, but when starting
a thread, please try and stick to our theme.

Here are the currently available discussion areas:

The [Baren] Forum for Woodblock Printmaking

Anything and everything about:

the process of making woodblock prints - carving, printing, tools, suitable papers, etc. etc.
matters of general interest to woodblock printmakers - your current printmaking projects, new web sites, general discussion ...

[Baren] After Five

The social forum of the Convention. Glass in hand, here is where you can tell that tall tale about the woodblock that got away ...

 Even in the main discussion group we expect (and encourage) a fair amount of straight conversation, badinage, etc. - this is
essential in keeping a 'personal' flavour to the group. But postings that have no woodblock content at all, and which consist of
 friendly 'chat' between members, should be confined to the 'After Five' group ...

The world of woodblock printmaking is quite a small world, and this forum may not turn out to have a lot of 'quantity'. But with
your help, a high 'quality' will more than make up for that. "


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Well, with 225+ members onboard and many more that have come and gone thru the years, we can safely say that Dave's remarks about "lack of
quantity" were a bit premature.  Wood engraving and lino have always been accepted topics for discussion due to the close resemblance to
"woodblock". In fact, many of the books on the encyclopedia carry chapters on these topics. Many prints in the exchanges are proof of this. Intaglio,
monotypes, etching, silk screening, etc....are often mentioned
in reference to printmaking or woodblocks technique but on their own are not valid topics for deep discussion here. It is often that
someone asks a question about acids, cleanup, plates, etc....and that is fine....but long term discussions or procedures have and should
be carried off line or at Baren-After-Five.....

The Printmakers forum and PrintAustralia are open to all general printmaking and are run by our very own Brad Schwartz and Josephine
Severn. Both fantastic lists for these other disciplines.

Happy Holidays to all and welcome to all the new members....

Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)


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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:35:37 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12617] woodblock or? 

David,
It was so nice to hear from you, I second April's comments. One of the
things so wonderful about this list IS it's focus. I had never done
relief printing, except on metal before I found this list. After almost
three years, I have taken two classes at boot camp and one here in
Portland. It was amazing to realize I knew quite a lot when taking the
class here in Portland after the two in Victoria with Graham Scholes. I
have most of the tools from Japan and they are wonderful. Graham let us
use them and one at a time we knew we had to have them. The same with
the printing brushes and paper. The information and encouragement on
this list is truly amazing. I too would like to see it focused on
woodblock, even though I am taking a class in lino block now and really
having fun with it. Wanda is in this same class and doing woodblock so
there is a lot of crossover between the two mediums. The look of the
printing done on wood is different and can be very robust or very
delicate. I think we should remember our focus, there are lots of
printmaking lists for other mediums and I probably belong to most of
them, but this is the one I can never leave. I learned to do woodblocks
so I could participate in the exchanges on Baren. So lets hear it for
woodblock! Whew, what a testimony!
Happy Holidays to all,
Barbara

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From: "David Stones" <stones@mb.i-chubu.ne.jp>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:11:37 +0900
Subject: [Baren 12618] Re: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:11:01 +0900 charset="shift_jis" 

Dear All,

Two posts (from me) in a week? But some philosophy or whatever needs
adding... and thanks for the comments April and Barbara...

>Lovelace Lee III asked:
>Why do you all seem to make such tiny prints?  Is there something I'm
missing?

A little woodblock philosophy? Nature has limited my prints to the width of
a tree - usually 60 yrs. worth - and what's maybe missed is the
understanding that when your tools are cutting across the grain of solid
Cherry or Magnolia blocks, each line is a year in that tree's life and I
take care how I'm using this resource. (I also replant - five trees to one
cut] for my village-made blocks). The blocks are then let to print
according to their textures and, when my last sheet's printed, they'll be
returned to the forest - clean enough and harmless... No
disrespects/criticism of lino or whatever else... but woodBLOCK (for me) is
not just an art form, size not just a personal choice... there's something
else.

Dave S (Ishita)


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From: Greg Carter <artfool@bulloch.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:57:51 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12619] Re: San Francisco Chop Store Address 

Kate,
I was just at the store mentioned by carol.  Though i do not know the
number of streets, it is on the left hand side of the street, on a
corner(if you come in through the gate) .  You can not really miss it
because it has a lot of chops in the window.  They do have a wonderfull
selection(almost bought one with a insect on it)

greg,
  >Kate,
>Aboout the chop -maker in SF  If I remember correctly Marco Flavio said it
>was about 4 blocks up from the China Gate.
>Carol




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From: slinder@mediaone.net
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:11:09 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12620] Re: ...there's something else. 

Perhaps as valued as the woodblock prints in this group are the
thoughts and gentle philosophies of our 'persons of example'!  I
will try to focus more on those rings in the block.  I
appreciate deeply the suggestion of replanting and returning to
the forest! You offer good things to think about as I carve.
Thank you, David Stones!

Sharen,  (Palatine, Illinois)

David Stones wrote: 
>Nature has limited my prints to the width of
> a tree -   ...there's something else.

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From: Greg Carter <artfool@bulloch.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12621] Re: Baren: - It's intention 

I am some what a  newcommer, but I have been around enough to know what the
response was probale going to be but thought it was good to talk about it.
I hope no one took my suggestions in a negitive manner but just not agree
with them.  If you are new to baren(,in the last year) and you judge baren
by the posts(and not the official statement) you do see an interest in
other relief processes.  That why I said what I said.

There are a lot of good lists but they are not the specific mix of Baren
that I enjoy so much.  so i guess I was just being selfish

Greg


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From: Claude Villeneuve <klaud@sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12622] Re: woodblock or? 

Hello everyone! As a mainly relief printmaker but not exclusively
woodcut or linocut, I think one technique nourrishes the other and I
would find it sad if only topics pertaining strickly to wood were
allowed on Baren because most printmakers don't work in only one medium.
There is an organization called Xylon International (based in
Switzerland I think) that started with members working strickly on wood.
The Quebec chapter of Xylon accepts any member who works in RELIEF
techniques, regardless of material because most printmakers in Quebec
like to experiment and don't confine themselves to only one technique so
they were able this way to increase their membership and have an
interesting group of artists working together and learning from
eachother. From what I read from Xylon Argentina through their monthly
bulletin, they also seem to be pretty open.

What if the focus was broad enough to include any topic relating to
RELIEF printmaking but keeping in mind that wood is still the major
interest and specifically Japanese Hanga techniques?  Since I have
joined Baren I have learned a lot about woodcut and I read various
articles from the Encyclopedia to increase my knowledge about the
various processes, tools, techniques, etc. I should be ready to try my
very first Japanese woodcut very soon.

Merry Christmas to all!

Claude Aimée Villeneuve - Montreal, Quebec

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From: Artsmadis@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:54:13 EST
Subject: [Baren 12623] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1251 

In a message dated 12/19/00 11:41:13 PM Central Standard Time, 
Legreenart@cs.com writes:

<< Why is there a text attachment on the digest? I would like to know, 
because I 
 don't open attachments unless I know why they are attached. >>

I'm no expert but I think it is so you can download and read the digest 
without being connected to  the internet.  Also I believe text attatchments 
are safe and cannot contain viruses.

Darrell

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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:18:14 EST
Subject: [Baren 12624] Re: San Francisco Chop Store Address 

Kate, Greg, Marco--that's Baren teamwork in pursuit of a chop!
Carol

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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:25:39 EST
Subject: [Baren 12625] Re: woodblock or? 

My vote goes for strictly woodblock.  As it is, there are so many valuable 
messages to sift through.  I, too, experiment with other media, but I'd like 
to keep the woodblock focus for Baren. 
2  cents worth--
Carol  Lyons    Irvington, NY
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From: "eli griggs" <eli.griggs@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12626] Re: woodblock or? charset="iso-8859-1" 

Hi there:

I also want to keep the Baren focus on woodcuts.

With it so easy to subscribe to additional groups why fool around with a
format that works so well for so many?

Eli Griggs
Charlotte N.C.
USA


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From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" <studiojnc@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12627] Re: woodblock or? charset="iso-8859-1" 

There are sooo many forums out there for different kinds of printmaking;
Monotype, Brad's printmaking , The Web Engravers group. Why mix all of that
up with woodblock printmaking? I say stick to "wood".  I think we could use
some of Grahams wisdom here!!! I know you are out there.
I belong to 4 forums on printmaking and this one should be all about
woodblock printmaking.
 If I want etching, monotype, engraving, then I will go elsewhere.

Let us focus on what David Bull intended.

My 10 cents worth.

Jeanne N.


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From: slinder@mediaone.net
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12628] "Comedy of Life"... 

What a terrific collection of prints!  Christmas surely came
early to my house!  Thank  you to everyone in the exchange!  

What a joy to handle such wonderful papers, to see such
variations in printmaking, to savor the colors and inks and
lines, and to enjoy the ways you all interpreted the "Comedy of
Life" theme. Thanks so much to Dan and Jeanne for all of their
work in bringing the prints to us!  

You can learn so much holding and viewing a print! Bravo,
everyone!

Sharen

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