Baren Digest             Thursday, 19 October 2000     Volume 13 : Number 1185


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From: "Larry Giacoletti" <lgiacoletti@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:41:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 11774] Re:  

You can gentle heat the glass surface with a lighter keeping a watchful eye 
on the print (so it doesn't become too brittle), the ink should seperate 
slowly from the glass surface.  Good luck;  I've done this once before and 
it worked.

Larry Giacoletti
Whitney Museum of American Art



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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Baren 11775] Re: Asian Chops 

If you are really hungry and want to chop down some Asian seals.....go to
Baren's
very own restaurant:

http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/012_10/012_10_frame.html


thanks.....Julio



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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 11776] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1179 

Hello Mr. Sarojini,
try surfing in www.polymetaal.nl if you don't mind importing from Europe.
Regards,
Dimitris
- --- Sarojini Johnson <sjohnso3@gw.bsu.edu> wrote: > Does anyone know where
to purchase a new book press?


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:05:14 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11777] Gone astray. 

>Since we are straying from the woodblock field, slightly, I was wondering
>how you would set up an etching studio at home.

To the keepers of this server.

I have noticed for the past several months more and more blah blah 
blah about etching and related problems.

We should stay focused on woodblock printmaking as this forum is 
design for that purpose and attracts like people.

There are other listserver forums, and if not then someone should go 
and set one up, to deal with the sport of etching and engraving 
problems.
If the present trend is allowed to carry on we will loose some very 
knowledgeable people.
The argument will be put ....  why don't you just pitch the post into 
the trash....  well you still have to read it to know that there is 
or is not details that may relate to Hanga where one can contribute.
The number of e-mail are growing each month and I am personal 
becoming overloaded.
I suspect I am not alone in this department. ... actually both departments.

Graham

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From: aeojeda@ucdavis.edu (Almerindo E. Ojeda)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:38:49 -0800
Subject: [Baren 11778] LEDA 1931 

I recently came across an attractive woodcut depicting Leda and the swan.
The woodcut is signed "Cn" in pencil, as well as dated "1931" (or maybe it
is "1937"; it is hard to tell) and titled "LEDA".

Any idea what this "Cn" stands for?

The mysterious letters appear also in the print as a monogram in which a
"C" occurs right over an "n".

Thanks!

        Almerindo



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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:25:36 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11779] Re:   Baren Digest V13 #1184 charset="iso-8859-1" 

Karen, I am responding to this even though I am not Jean J.  I am Jean Eger
Womack.  You may have gotten a bad batch of relief ink or textile ink: one
with too much drier in it.  I live in an area where there are lots of
minorities.  Actually, I am the minority here because I am white.  We get
faulty and defective products in this area quite often.  You might try
buying your inks somewhere
else.  Also, you can sometimes add something that will slow down the drying
in those acrylic products.

Sincerely,
Jean Eger-Womack
http://users.lanminds.com/~jeaneger

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From: "pwalls1234" <pwalls1234@i-55.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:46:40 -0500
Subject: [Baren 11780] Re: Gone astray. charset="iso-8859-1" 

you are kidding Graham??

i hope so

pete
baton rouge


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From: Daniel Dew <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:43:37 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11781] Re: Gone astray. 

Boy, I know I'm asking for trouble, but I agree with Graham.

(duck, duck, as the arrows fly)


Let's stick with at least discussion relating to relief printing
(lino,wood,endgrain,hanga and western style) and let the other discussions
move to After Five or something.  Way toooo much.........


dan dew



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From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" <studiojnc@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11782] Re: Gone astray. charset="iso-8859-1" 

As the poem goes "We are poor little sheep who have gone astray, baa, baa,
baa"
Brad Schwartz has a good Printmaking Forum on One List, so there should not
be any matters pertaining to etchings, lithos, etc. on a forum for WOODblock
printmaking.

Right on, Graham.

Jeanne N.




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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:59:37 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11783] relief charset="iso-8859-1" 

Weeeeell,
Speaking of woodcut printmaking, I had the immense _relief_ to meet yet
another Baren member here in the ruggedly _cut_ desert of Las Vegas.
Stephanie, would you introduce yourself sometime? Nobody reeeeeally bites
here in Baren (oops, "bites" is really an intaglio term, isn't it).
Anyhow, she came by my _woodcut prints_ booth this last weekend and we had
quite a fun time. Good to know there is another _sharp_ printmaker in Vegas,
now there are a whole three of us unless other lurkers are hiding behind a
_block_ somewhere. Oooh, hey we can now make a double double _woodcut_ print
on my driveway!
Hey relax everyone, we stray sometimes, which happens during conversations
among friends...and we have an official moderator whose job is to moderate,
by the way.
Mellower times to all,
Maria

<><><><><><><><><><><><>
Maria Arango, Printmaker
Las Vegas  Nevada  USA
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
maria@mariarango.com
<><><><><><><><><><><><>


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From: "Cate Pfeifer" <Cate108@Earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:32:11 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11784] Re: Gone astray and workspace charset="iso-8859-1" 

This discussion of whether we are off the woodblock printing topic is also
off topic!  <Giggle>

Quick, someone say something about carving techniques!

If anyone has any ideas of how I can transform a spare bedroom into
woodblock printing studio space, I would appreciate help.  I rent and my
landlady has just plastered the walls in that room and put in new carpeting.
If I buy a table and put it against a wall to get stability, it would leave
a mark.  She is also concerned about ink getting on the carpet.  Should I
get a tarp for the floor?  Is there a style of table that is balanced and
heavy enough to work on?  I recently discovered that I like to work standing
up on a tall table.  She offered me an old workmate workbench but it will
tip over and is not tall enough.  Is it better to build a workbench?  Should
I just work in the kitchen?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cate


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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11785] Re: Gone astray and workspace 

I think both Dave and Graham discuss workbenches and such on their sites.
Check em out.

dan dew


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From: "Cate Pfeifer" <Cate108@Earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11786] Re: Gone astray and workspace charset="iso-8859-1" 

Thanks, I will.  Being pretty new at this, I find that I keep asking
questions that are covered somewhere else - sorry about that.

Cate



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From: "eli griggs" <eli.griggs@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:45:20 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11787] Re: Gone astray and workspace charset="iso-8859-1" 

Hi there:

First things first.

1  How big is the space?

2 Water base or oil printing or both?

3 Do you need to use power tools or saws in your studio ?




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From: "Philip Smith" <smithart@pacifier.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:09:46 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11788] Re: Gone astray and workspace charset="iso-8859-1" 

Cate
You might want to "lay a new floor",...i.e. a couple of sheets of 3/4"
ply wood and if you need a table to a certain height how about a
couple of saw horses with yet another sheet of plywood for your table
top!.....all screwed together of course for stability.. Just a
thought!       Philip



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From: "Philip Smith" <smithart@pacifier.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:12:42 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11789] Re: relief charset="iso-8859-1" 

Maria
'Mellower' IS an intaglio word! I'm sorry, you'll be deducted 27
points!        Philip


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From: David Bull <davebull@woodblock.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:57:05 +0900
Subject: [Baren 11790] Re: Gone astray. <200010131445.XAA19496@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> <200010181600.BAA26508@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> 

Graham wrote:
> I have noticed for the past several months more and more blah blah
> blah about etching and related problems.
> 
> We should stay focused on woodblock printmaking as this forum is
> design for that purpose and attracts like people.

Yes, the 'balance' problem raises its head again ...

It's always difficult to know when to step in and try to re-direct these
conversations - for some of us, the stuff about etching and
what-have-you is of no interest, and it certainly doesn't qualify as
woodblock content. Balanced against this though, is of course the bare
fact that if it is of interest to the group, it should be 'allowed'.

But Graham's point is a very good one - there are other venues around
where such topics really do belong, and if we allow ourselves to
constantly get drawn away from our woodblock focus, the flood of emails
will bury us all.

So please try and help us keep things together, and to stay generally
focused on our topic. My apologies for letting this 'wander' for so long
without clarification.

Thanx!

Dave (your not-so-heavy-handed moderator)


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:13:30 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11792] Re: relief 

>and we have an official moderator whose job is to moderate,
>by the way.
>Mellower times to all,
>Maria
>

Time for him/her/whoever to call the Woodblock listserver to order.

Graham

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:16:32 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11793] Re: Gone astray and workspace 

Gosh, Cate, I think your question is a good one. And turning your spare
bedroom into a workspace shouldn't be too hard. Kind of depends on how
clean/messy of a worker you are. Probably would be a good idea to figure
out something to put over the new carpet. An area rug with plastic under
it? Would that work? And putting a workbench against the wall - get some
of those little felt or soft plastic bumpers to place along the wall
edge. That should keep your work table pretty stable. ooooh that rymes!

I'm in the process of moving my studio out of a too tiny room and into
an old '40's house/barn/workshop space. About all it has in favor of it
right now is a roof that doesn't leak! So, I'll be combing through all
the same info pretty quick!

Let us know what your solutions are. I'm sure your suggestions would
come in handy for those of us with different situations than Dave and Graham.

Wanda



Cate Pfeifer wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I will.  Being pretty new at this, I find that I keep asking
> questions that are covered somewhere else - sorry about that.

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:45:24 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11794] Archival world 

Hi Bareners Barenesses,

Those of you who are fairly new to the Baren forum might want to take a
peek at the Baren Archives. There is a lot of useful/helpful/interesting
information in there from a lot of useful/helpful/interenting people.

Many thanks to our hard-working John Amoss for doing such a first rate
job on compiling these archives!

Just go to http://woodblock.com and then to "archives". Super-dooper
stuff! The archives go all the way back to the very beginnings of "Baren".

Wanda

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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:27:13 -0500
Subject: [Baren 11795] Re: Gone astray. 

There's a wonderful list run by our very own Brad Schwartz that is an open forum
for all types of printmaking.
The forum has held two very successful exchanges and a few others are underway.
You can see the prints online
and also you will recognize many familiar Bareners onboard.  This list leans
toward the non-woodblock disciplines.

"Printmakers List @ www.onelist.com
To post a message send e-mail to
printmakers@onelist.com
For subscribe / unsubscribe info go to
www.onelist.com/"


I think artists being what we are...are always prone to experimentation, to try
new techniques and disciplines to achieve our
ultimate goal of conveying our message. Many of us have had past lives as
painters, etchers, lithographers, quilt makers, etc...and woodblock could just
be another train station along the long trip. Probably only a few of us can
actually say that they are pure "woodblock" from day one.  For some...maybe is
just a temporary break before they go back to their true love.

The Baren encyclopedia, along with all the wonderful online how-to books (thanks
to dave's girls) is a magnificent repository. It serves both the beginner and
the advanced student and has answers to many of the FAQs on the forum.

Perhaps those wanting to tap into the wealth of knowledge and experience found
among the Baren group for non-woodblock issues can ask the question at hand but
ask for off-list replies. I think in the past that has allowed ample freedom for
non-woodblock topics to be touched upon while still allowing the essence of the
forum to continue unto "woodblock",  wood engraving and other relief-related
disciplines such as lino and textile printing.

Just some thoughts....Julio





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From: "John and Michelle Morrell" <jmmorrell@gci.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:02:30 -0800
Subject: [Baren 11796] Baren 1184, washable inks charset="iso-8859-1" 

Karen--

You wrote:

"Jean, when you say "relief ink" do you mean water based?  I like to stick
to water based paints.  Do you think it would work on fabric?  Even though
my quilts aren't meant to be washed like bed quilts I always have to be
aware that someday someone will try.   For collagraph I was looking for a
paint that was water soluble but would become permanent when dry, that
wouldn't dry too fast so I would have plenty of time to ink the plate,
(textile paints dry on the plate before I finish inking), and would not make
the fabric stiff. I'm always looking for a better way."

Why don't you call Golden Acrylics--I have done this in the past--if someone
doesn't have a ready answer they will farm your call out to a chemist, who
will definitely consider the problem in minute detail.  This is not a plug
for the company, but just to pass on that they are really interested in this
sort of problem; and looking at washable water-based, you are definitely
looking at acrylics.

<^><^><^><^><^><^>
    Michelle Morrell
   jmmorrell@gci.net
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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:30:14 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11797] workspace 

Cate wrote.....
<giggle>   and  ....
>If anyone has any ideas of how I can transform a spare bedroom into
>woodblock printing studio space,
>

Dave told me he works in a cupboard and I work in a small barn size studio.
However that was not always the case in my case. (that's not good English)

When my studio was a small bedroom I covered the floor with 10 mil 
poly and over the top of that lay down tempered masonite.
This with stood traffic for 7 years +   The hardest part of traffic 
was a stool with casters. This was very hard on the floor and I use 
to have to put down an extra piece in that area.
When I removed the protective covering the rug was in its original state.
You need a sturdy table that you don't need to have supported by a 
wall. If it is free standing you can work around all sides. (but not 
all at the same time) If you are going to stand to print.... I 
do..... then the height should be such that you can apply body weight 
to the baren and not so much arm strength.
There is a time when arm strength is ok for the small areas of a 
print. Dave won't agree with this, but what the hell does he 
know..... (<:

If you go to my site you can see a table 
http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Worktables.html
that has drawers and is very stable for printing.
The one in the picture is made of 3/4"  and 1/2" birch The drawer 
bottoms are 1/4" Birch.
This is very very expensive stuff and you don't need it until you become Rich.

I had a unit that was made of press board..... any way it looks like 
chips of wood all pressed into a sheet of material.   It works great 
and is cheap. You don't need to make drawers just shelves to hold 
papers and material. This will make a perfect table if the size is 4' 
x 4' by about  3' tall..... this will depend on your height. If you 
need a little drawing I can send you one.
A workmate is useless for anything except hold bicycles and 
to-be-fixie type thingies.

All of the above supposes you ain't using a press.

Does this help.

Graham

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