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From: Gayle Wohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:38:12 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8680] Re: Baren Digest V10 #923 

Inriguing print, Dimitris.  Strong political statement, good design.  It
will make a  body of work (when you finish the series), that should make
a fine exhibit. 

> www.plaindotline.gr/gallery/refugee.jpg

***
Dave, the newly finished Surimono print intrigues me.  Did you put dark
green under the bronze for future change in the bronze, so the two
colors will work together?  

* * *
Don, healing thoughts for your baby and also a lit candle.  

Gayle

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From: David Bull <davebull@w.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:02:28 +0900
Subject: [Baren 8681] Re: bronze powder printing ... 

Gayle wrote:

> Dave, the newly finished Surimono print intrigues me.  Did you put dark
> green under the bronze for future change in the bronze, so the two
> colors will work together?

http://w.com/surimono/2000/2-1/display_print_2-1.html

Mostly I put it there because it's there in the original.  I expected it
to show through more and give a bit of a greenish patina to the print
even when it was new.  But I found that it doesn't show at all. 

One reason for this I think, is that the powdered bronze I'm using may
actually be quite a bit finer in size than the stuff the old printers
had access to. I would guess that they made their own powder by filing
up bits of bronze; the stuff I'm using is machine made, and is extremely
fine. Because of this fineness, it makes a much smoother layer, and
there are no spaces or gaps for the underlying colour to show through.  

Should I just leave out the green?  I don't think so.  As the years go
by, and the powder gradually oxidizes (and also abrades off to some
degree), I suspect it will start to look more and more like the original
...

(Doing 200+ copies of those metal impressions is going to create a vast
cloud of the dust in my workshop, so I'll be using a face mask when I do
the main printing of that stuff this weekend.)

Dave


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From: "Philip Smith" <smithart@pacifier.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:26:37 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8682] Re: lino-cut charset="iso-8859-1" 

Golly gee Dimitris,....from the land of the birth of democracy,
Greece,.....and which part of your lino-cut is the ethnic cleansing,...did I
miss that? Anxiously awaiting the rest of the series,...!!! Philip

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dimitris grammatikopulos" <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
To: <baren@ml.xx.or.jp>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 12:25 AM
Subject: [Baren 8677] lino-cut


> Hello, Barenworld!
> I'd like to show off with a lino-cut I printed this weekend.
> It's called "Saint Refugee the Bombed", 46x29 cm ( 18,11"x11,41")and it is
> dedicated to all those ...Democrats around the world, who helped the
> $/Euro rate down by dropping a couple of thousand ...Democratic and
> Justice-loving bombs all around the Balkans! Wasn't that nice?Now I know
> why they claimed to serve Justice...She is blind, after all!
> regards,
> Dimitris
>
> www.plaindotline.gr/gallery/refugee.jpg
>
> P.S. Soon to be made in a series called "The Temple of the Chased", a
> small memorial to all those that never knew how they lost their
> fatherlands, e.g. Indian tribes, Armenians, Ruandians, Yugoslavians,
> Cypriots, Greeks of Pontos and many many more adding to the highlights of
> Human Achievements.
> __________________________________________________
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> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
>


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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:46:28 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8683] Re: lino-cut 

This is really a crreeepppy linocut, Dimitris! And I mean that in an artistic
way. It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up - like when I watch
the evening news on television. (which is why I read the paper instead) I
think woodcut & linocut are the preferred medium of choice for most of
history's politcal objections to the status-quo. Yours is an excellent
representation of that.

Unfortunately, you will never run out of subjects on this theme. Which makes
me very, very sad.

Would you like to go into more detail about your choice of images? I'm
intrigued by the dog biting the poor refugee's leg - a reference to a country
that is particularly cruel in this case? Or a symbol of the old saying of
"kicking a man while he is down" so to speak.

Excellent linocut, Dimitris. Your images are very thought-provoking!

Wanda



dimitris grammatikopulos wrote:

> http://www.plaindotline.gr/gallery/refugee.jpg
>
> P.S. Soon to be made in a series called "The Temple of the Chased", a
> small memorial to all those that never knew how they lost their
> fatherlands, e.g. Indian tribes, Armenians, Ruandians, Yugoslavians,
> Cypriots, Greeks of Pontos and many many more adding to the highlights of
> Human Achievements.


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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:06:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 8684] Explaining the lino-cut 

> This is really a crreeepppy linocut, Dimitris! And I mean that in an
> artistic
> way. It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up - like when I
> watch
> the evening news on television. (which is why I read the paper instead)
> I
> think woodcut & linocut are the preferred medium of choice for most of
> history's politcal objections to the status-quo. Yours is an excellent
> representation of that.

1.Thank you, Wanda! I have tried to keep the image just before shocking
the viewer. So much not like what TV offers usually!

As for the techniques, I think that it is Engraving that stands out most
of the time, as it has the ability to make copies and pass them around.
> Unfortunately, you will never run out of subjects on this theme. Which
> makes
> me very, very sad.

2. Me too, Wanda! And those who hand out the news DO try to convience us
that there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. 
> Would you like to go into more detail about your choice of images? 

3. The choice of the dog is multiple:
a. The blindly loyal to its masters animal
b. You will notice that it is receiving sexual satisfaction by its action
c. There is a prophecy addressed to Holy Mary concerning Jesus Christ that
he would be bitten by the snake on his foot, but he would then crash the
snake's head. I changed the animals. Maybe Dan knows more about the
prophecy?

> Excellent linocut, Dimitris. Your images are very thought-provoking!

Thank you, Wanda! I am trying to use my head for something useful.
regards,
Dimitris
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:04:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 8685] Re: lino-cut 

I would gladly answer every question concerning my image, Philip, but
would you , please, first let me know what do you know about the history
of ethnic cleansings, so that I may reply adequatly.
regards,
Dimitris

P.S. Wouldn't you rather continue this discussion within Baren-After-Five?

- --- Philip Smith <smithart@pacifier.com> wrote:
> Golly gee Dimitris,....from the land of the birth of democracy,
> Greece,.....and which part of your lino-cut is the ethnic
> cleansing,...did I
> miss that? Anxiously awaiting the rest of the series,...!!! Philip
> 

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From: inklinepress@inetnebr.com (Jaime)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:44:43 -0600
Subject: [Baren 8686] Re: check this out! 

Dimitris-

Great site! And Refugee is a poignant print!  It has such wonderful
skillfull lines and fantastic symbolism. I was attracted to its beauty and
disturbed by its content. I was moved to think about the realities of the
lives in the Balkans.  Thanks.

Jaime



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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:24:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 8687] Re: check this out! 

Thanks, Jaime!
There should be more in arts than meat and flowers, don't you think?
regards,
Dimitris
> Great site! And Refugee is a poignant print!  It has such wonderful
> skillfull lines and fantastic symbolism. I was attracted to its beauty
> and
> disturbed by its content. I was moved to think about the realities of
> the
> lives in the Balkans.  Thanks.
 
__________________________________________________
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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:33:39 EST
Subject: [Baren 8688] Re: dimitris'print 

In a message dated 03/01/2000 5:42:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
blueman@pantek.com writes:

> www.plaindotline.gr/gallery/refugee.jpg

hi dimitris
   just wanted to say that i think yo0ur print is awesome     very 
expressionistic  if you are the one that wanted to know if we wanted to be 
put on your contact list     i do     im hoping to send maria some more of my 
work soon
 
dave  
  your latest print is beautiful as is all of your work that ive seen    i 
love the embossment that you get on these prints   some time ago i asked you 
a question about applying gold leaf to a print   i never saw a reply   can 
you let me know how this is done in hanga printing?
   thank you 
georga   aqua4tis@aol.com
west covina, california   usa

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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:03:58 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8689] bea's bench, some L.A. pics charset="iso-8859-1" 

A bit ago, Bea wrote:
>Maria, did you get the photos of my work bench to show people?  John and
>Dan, my bench is low - coffee table height but I have a portable drafting
>table on top, that I turn facing UP for cutting and Down for printing.  It
>has really worked for me.  The table also has eight drawers that hold all
my
>cutting and printing tools and paints!  I love it.

You can see the picture of the workbench, poodle and all, at:
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/workbench.jpg
The infamous L.A. Bareneers meeting will be fully told and illustrated in
the upcoming newsletter, but peak at the lunch set up at Bea's:
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/dafeast.jpg
And the bonding experience at Ruth's studio:
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/mugshop.jpg
Pictured are, if memory serves me correctly, from left to right: Bea Gold,
Ruth Leaf, Georga Garside, Bobbie Mandel, Dutch Stowe, and the infiltrator
from Las Vegas. Also note that I'm taller than Ruth :-)
Health to all,
Maria

******************************
Maria Arango, Printmaker
Las Vegas  Nevada  USA
http://www.printmakingstudio.com
maria@mariarango.com
mariten@lvcm.com
******************************


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From: David Bull <davebull@w.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:51:45 +0900
Subject: [Baren 8690] NewsFeed, March 1st 2000 

************************************************* 
   [Baren] News Feed ... March 1st, 2000 
*************************************************

Confused about all the activites going on in [Baren]?  The [Baren]
NewsFeed will keep you up-to-date!  (_Try_ to, anyway!)


EXCHANGES

(*) Exchange #5 has one month left to go before the final deadline. You
have extra 'pressure' on this one, because a set of prints will be sent
over to Gregory in Africa for an exhibit at the Uganda National Museum
in Kampala.  Greg's deadline is _not_ flexible (more details below).
Also remember that the coordinator is now Maria Arango. Information page
is: 
http://www.w.com/forum/exchange/exchange_5/exchange_5.html

(*) Exchange #6 will open for sign-up one month from today, on April
1st. Remember a few things:
- - those who did not get a chance to get in Exchange 5 will have first
sign-up rights
- - the schedule is now fixed so that you can plan signing-up for an
exchange well in advanced 
- - the theme for this one will be 'open' ...
Check it out: 
http://www.w.com/forum/exchange/index.html

(*) The SwapShop is active, and prints are waiting in Jim's filing
cabinet for distribution.  Next eight participants are guaranteed a
print from that land far off over the Pacific Ocean ... 
SwapShop info page, in case you missed it: 
http://www.w.com/forum/swapshop/index.html


EXHIBITIONS

(*) Preparation for Julio's [Baren] exhibition at the library in Skokie,
Illinois is proceeding on course.  Julio still needs bios and money from
some participants. Please contact him directly: 
Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com

(*) Greg's Kampala exhibition is also on track.  Mostly what Greg needs
from you is that you meet the deadline for Exchange #5 so that we have a
full showing. Don't forget to specify a selling price for your prints.
Those of you experiencing difficulty with sending money from abroad may
combine the return shipping for the prints (around$24 depending on
country) and the expenses for the show ($20) in one check. Accountant
Maria will take care of the rest. 
Greg can be contacted here: grobison@swiftuganda.com


ACTIVITIES

(*) The Members' Activities page on the website is always ready and
waiting to receive your news reports and photos ... for example, the
recent LA 'get together' (hint hint!) 
http://www.w.com/forum/messageboard/guestbook.html

(*) The first issue of 'Baren-Suji', the newsletter for [Baren], is
under construction and rising into the sky story by story  ;-)   Maria
is always looking for interesting contributions, so if you have
something for her, don't hesitate to let her know:
maria@mariarango.com


WORKSHOPS

(The NewsFeed editor awaits your workshop announcements)


OTHER NEWS

Other printmaking news and goingson of interest:

(*) Josephine's tree exchange is coming along very nicely. Good
conversation and a planned live chat in the PrintAustralia list. Judging
by conversations and preliminary sketches, this collection promises to
be a truly magic forest. 
For details go: http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/sacredlist.htm

(*) The money exchange is also happenning and we doubled our
participation from last exchange in the Printmaker's group. Brad
Schwartz is our fearless leader. If you're into printmaking other than
woodblock, check out this group: 
http://www.baschwar.com/printmakers/mintexchange.html


ADMINISTRATION

Remember that a section of 'quick links' to many [Baren] activities is
always available on the main website.  If you can't remember 'where to
go', check that page at:
http://w.com/forum/admin.html

***

This has been a sample of the [Baren] NewsFeed, trying to keep you in 
touch with what's going on in [Baren].  If it looks like it might be
useful for the members, it might even be repeated regularly!

*********************************************************************
 Send items for the next News Feed to news@w.com
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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:19:49 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8691] oopsie charset="iso-8859-1" 

Re: last message,
make that:
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/mugshot.jpg

sorry 'bout dat
******************************
Maria Arango, Printmaker
Las Vegas  Nevada  USA
http://www.printmakingstudio.com
maria@mariarango.com
mariten@lvcm.com
******************************


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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:22:59 EST
Subject: [Baren 8692] Re: bea's bench, some L.A. pics 

In a message dated 03/01/2000 4:03:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
maria@mariarango.com writes:

> http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/mugshop.jpg

maria
   i was able to see the first image at beas house but not the second one at 
ruths
:-(   
georga

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From: Gary Luedtke <GLuedtke@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:55:24 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8693] bea's bench, some L.A. pics charset=ISO-8859-1 

Maria,

<<http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/mugshop.jpg

Couldn't access this url, but change "mugshop" to "mugshot" and it works.=


Unless of course you took a mug of the shop in which case who are all the=
se
people?

Gary
KC, USA

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From: Gary Luedtke <GLuedtke@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:57:02 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8694] oopsie charset=ISO-8859-1 

Message text written by INTERNET:baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>Re: last message,
make that:
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/temp/mugshot.jpg

sorry 'bout dat
******************************
Maria Arango, Printmaker
Las Vegas  Nevada  USA
http://www.printmakingstudio.com
maria@mariarango.com
mariten@lvcm.com
******************************<

OOPs Too, Sorry about that Maria.   I must read all of the postings befor=
e
responding from now on!

Gary

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:43:51 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8695] Re: bea's bench, some L.A. pics 

Great pix, Maria. Isn't it nice to find yourself taller than someone
(anyone)? As a vertically challenged (built for stamina, not speed)
person myself, I understand perfectly! :-)

Now Bea, I have questions. How do you work at your coffee table height
carving table? I certainly do love those drawers! What a nice looking
and useful piece of furniture.

I just received some paper from  <http://www.artpaper.com> I'll let you
know all about it after I get a chance to test it out. Oil and waterbase
printing, both.

Wanda


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:28:59 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8696] Re: check this out! 

>Thanks, Jaime!
>There should be more in arts than meat and flowers, don't you think?
>regards,
>Dimitris

Right....
You forgot pretty picture.....

Graham

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From: "eli griggs" <eli.griggs@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:52:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8697] Re: The well thought out bench. boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF83D0.D5F1E7E0" 

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The well thought out bench.Hi there,=20

    sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you but the mystery flu =
has taken a toll around here. =20

    It is clear from your reply that you have indeed thought out your =
work space from the ground up.  Your floor sounds interesting and I =
would like to know more, did you spray the foam or was it sheet goods? =20

    As for your bench,  with your requirement for mobilty,  what can I =
say?  Castors don't saw worth a darn, never have.

    However I must stand firmly behind my advice on how to arrive at the =
correct height for a  working bench.

    You are right when you describe the position of the arm, elbow =
tucked in and a natural crook to the arm.  This is a natural stance and =
if hyperextended, the arm, palm down, with the elbow locked out would be =
unnatural, resulting in a too low surface .  Exaggerating that =
measurement is rather like sucking it w-a-y-i-n when trying on a new =
swim suit, without even the excuse of vanity for the bad fit.  I should =
have been more clear in my earlier suggestion. =20

    I also feel that the resulting work surface from the correct =
measurement is just fine for sitting with a stool.  I stand six feet, =
with arms definitely on the long side of the cuff.  Fitted to my height, =
a working surface of approximately 35 inches  was the final result.  =
This is higher than many dining tables and plenty of room for relaxed =
sitting.=20

    Yet all this is relative only so far as it is a suggestion for a =
starting place for consideration when trying to design a bench.   =
Speaking to my own needs,  I can think of few things as personal as my =
working space, a place where daydreams can grow firm.  My bench is a =
foundation upon which I try to build something real.  But kitchen =
counter, coffee table or... whatever.  If it's comfortable, great.  All =
that matters is the work that results.

    As for whether I am physio or medical, no, not really.  A million =
years B.C. (before computers) I was a medic in Uncle Sams army and =
learned a few things there, but most of what I think I know about bench =
design comes from a mix of activities, observation and research. =20

     I hope to hear more about the working spaces/methods of others =
soon, I love talking about this stuff.

    Eli Griggs  =20
    Charlotte, N.C.




- ---- Original Message -----=20
  From: Graham Scholes=20
  To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp=20
  Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 1:51 PM
  Subject: [Baren 8637] The well thought out bench.


  eli griggs wrote....
       seeing as you work on your feet you might want to rethink your =
work station from the ground up, starting with a good, heavy duty =
anti-fatigue mat, the kind that woodworkers use.  These are to be found =
at shops like Woodcraft or Highland Hardware in Alanta, or industrial =
supply houses.=20


       When I designed this table I took all that you have mentioned =
into consideration.
  It is about as close to perfect as one can get.  As far as the anti =
Fatigue mat..... when I put the floor into my studio, it started with a =
concrete slab.  Over that, for insulation and spring I layed 2" =
foam....on that I put down 3/4 Birch plywood.  Nothing is secured to the =
cement.... it sort of floats. When you walk or stand on this base I =
never get tired feet or legs.=20


    You might need to take a saw to your bench,


  If you saw (and I don't mean to be cutting) you would not suggest =
this.
  This is not a run of the mill bench.  You can see the draws..... You =
can't see the castors....8 of them for moving the table to the best =
light position during the day. Taking a saw is certianly out of the =
question and not necessary.


    but you need your bench to  be fitted to your height. Unless you are =
sharing space with another, there should be no compromise here.


  This is my personal studio which comes in two part.  On for =
printmaking  400sq ft.
  The other is drawing painting studio which is 900 sq ft.


       Last of all , install a rail, shelf (or small foot stool) and use =
it!  Bartenders have kept drinkers standing all day for centuries with =
this small innovation and it works.=20


  If I did this I might wanta start drinking the pigment !!!!
  It does not show well, but a little rise of 3 1/2" was a part of the =
design....
  Yes it is an important feature that was a must when I designed and =
built the unit.




  Secondly,  with your mat in place, measure to the floor from the palm =
of your hand, held parallel to the floor from your side, while standing =
erect, Get someone to measure for you and don't lean!)  This will give =
you the correct height for your standing work station.


  That would be to high..... Your arm should have a slight angle =
downward with elbow tucked against your side. The other factor that you =
must consider for height is when sitting.  This I can do if a small =
print area is being done.  There is less pressure and sitting works =
good.  Again the height of the stool is critical so the arm is slightly =
downward with the elbow at my side.


  Thanks for you interest.


  Graham


  Are you physio or in the medical related field.

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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is clear from =
your reply that=20
you have indeed thought out your work space from the ground up.&nbsp; =
Your floor=20
sounds&nbsp;interesting and I would like to know more, did you spray the =
foam or=20
was it sheet goods?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As for your =
bench,&nbsp;=20
with your requirement for mobilty,&nbsp; what can I say?&nbsp; Castors =
don't saw=20
worth a darn, never have.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; However I must stand =
firmly=20
behind my advice on how to arrive at the correct height for a&nbsp; =
working=20
bench.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You are right when =
you describe=20
the position of the arm, elbow tucked in and a natural&nbsp;crook to the =

arm.&nbsp; This is a natural stance and if&nbsp;hyperextended, the arm, =
palm=20
down, with the&nbsp;elbow locked out&nbsp;would be unnatural, resulting =
in a too=20
low surface .&nbsp; Exaggerating that measurement is rather like sucking =

it&nbsp;</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>w-a-y-i-n when trying on a =
new swim suit,=20
without even the excuse of vanity for the bad fit.&nbsp; I should have =
been more=20
clear in my earlier suggestion.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I also feel that the =
resulting=20
work surface from the correct measurement is just fine for&nbsp;sitting =
with a=20
stool.&nbsp; I stand six feet, with arms definitely on the long side of =
the=20
cuff.&nbsp; Fitted to my height, a working surface of approximately 35=20
inches&nbsp; was the final result.&nbsp; This is higher than many dining =
tables=20
and plenty of room for relaxed sitting. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yet all this is =
relative only so=20
far as&nbsp;it is a suggestion for a starting place for consideration =
when=20
trying to design a bench.&nbsp;&nbsp; Speaking to&nbsp;my own needs,  I =
can=20
think of few things as personal as my working space, a place=20
where&nbsp;daydreams can grow firm.&nbsp; My bench is a foundation upon =
which I=20
try to build something real.&nbsp;&nbsp;But kitchen counter, coffee=20
table&nbsp;or... whatever.&nbsp; If it's comfortable, great.&nbsp; All=20
that&nbsp;matters is the work that results.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for =
whether&nbsp;I am physio=20
or medical,&nbsp;no, not really.&nbsp; A million years B.C. (before =
computers) I=20
was a medic in Uncle Sams army and learned a few things there,=20
but&nbsp;most&nbsp;of what I think I know about bench design comes from =
a mix of=20
activities, observation and research.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I hope to =
hear&nbsp;more=20
about the working spaces/methods of others soon, I love talking about =
this=20
stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Eli =
Griggs&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Charlotte, =
N.C.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>---- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:gscholes@home.com" title=3Dgscholes@home.com>Graham =
Scholes</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:baren@ml.xx.or.jp"=20
  title=3Dbaren@ml.xx.or.jp>baren@ml.xx.or.jp</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 28, 2000 =
1:51=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Baren 8637] The well =
thought=20
  out bench.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>eli griggs wrote....</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp; seeing as=20
    you work on your feet you might want to rethink your work station =
from the=20
    ground up, starting with a good, heavy duty anti-fatigue mat, the =
kind that=20
    woodworkers use.&nbsp; These are to be found at shops like Woodcraft =
or=20
    Highland Hardware in Alanta, or industrial supply=20
  houses.&nbsp;</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT> When =
I designed=20
  this table I took all that you have mentioned into =
consideration.</DIV>
  <DIV>It is about as close to perfect as one can get.&nbsp; As far as =
the anti=20
  Fatigue mat..... when I put the floor into my studio, it started with =
a=20
  concrete slab.&nbsp; Over that, for insulation and spring I layed 2"=20
  foam....on that I put down 3/4 Birch plywood.&nbsp; Nothing is secured =
to the=20
  cement.... it sort of floats. When you walk or stand on this base I =
never get=20
  tired feet or legs. </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>You might =
need to take=20
    a saw to your bench,</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>If you saw (and I don't mean to be cutting) you would not suggest =

  this.</DIV>
  <DIV>This is not a run of the mill bench.&nbsp; You can see the =
draws..... You=20
  can't see the castors....8 of them for moving the table to the best =
light=20
  position during the day. Taking a saw is certianly out of the question =
and not=20
  necessary.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>but you =
need your=20
    bench to&nbsp; be fitted to your height. Unless you are sharing =
space with=20
    another, there should be no compromise here.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>This is my personal studio which comes in two part.&nbsp; On for=20
  printmaking&nbsp; 400sq ft.</DIV>
  <DIV>The other is drawing painting studio which is 900 sq ft.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">&nbsp;<FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D-1>&nbsp; Last of=20
    all , install a rail, shelf (or small foot stool) and use it!&nbsp;=20
    Bartenders&nbsp;have kept drinkers standing all day for centuries =
with this=20
    small innovation and it works</FONT>. </BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>If I did this I might wanta start drinking the pigment !!!!</DIV>
  <DIV>It does not show well, but a little rise of 3 1/2" was a part of =
the=20
  design....</DIV>
  <DIV>Yes it is an important feature that was a must when I designed =
and built=20
  the unit.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>Secondly,&nbsp; with your mat in =
place, measure=20
  to the floor from the palm of your hand, held parallel to the floor =
from your=20
  side, while standing erect, Get someone to measure for you and don't=20
  lean!)&nbsp; This will give you the correct height for your standing =
work=20
  station.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>That would be to high..... Your arm should have a slight angle =
downward=20
  with elbow tucked against your side. The other factor that you must =
consider=20
  for height is when sitting.&nbsp; This I can do if a small print area =
is being=20
  done.&nbsp; There is less pressure and sitting works good.&nbsp; Again =
the=20
  height of the stool is critical so the arm is slightly downward with =
the elbow=20
  at my side.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks for you interest.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Graham</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Are you physio or in the medical related=20
field.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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